George Karlaftis

[kccrow]

I can't stop fixating on this guy in the first round. The more I see him in the early 20's in mocks, the more I want KC to make the deal to go get this kid.

He reminds me of Ryan Kerrigan and Justin Smith. If he's somewhere in between, he'd be well worth a 20-ish pick. I just like his game. Great power in his punch. Good hand usage. Alot of moves but a staggering bull rush. Great feet. Excellent burst off the snap. What he doesn't have is great bend and agility which negates his speed rush.

But those traits, the ones involving power and speed-to-power, those win in the NFL. I don't care about his 40 time. He ran faster than the Bosa brothers. It's fine. He has elite vertical and broad jumps and a respectable bench press. I just imagine the day he gets stronger, and he will. If he learns to use better power rush technique, he's going to be very solid.

I think a lot of the lack of sacks this past year was the volume of double-teams and no other real threat on Purdue's defense. You watch his games though and he's putting tackles in the dirt. He's getting hits on the QB. He had a solid win rate as a pass rusher.

I love this guy as a SDE prospect. I want him to be a Chief. If you can go out and get a Sam Williams in the 2nd to pair with this guy as a bendier, more athletic WDE, I think you'll have an incredible pair of bookends for the foreseeable future.

So, am I missing something? Do I not see some fatal flaw?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

What if there's a run on DE and WR before we pick and we don't trade up? Do you do whatever it takes to trade down at that point? Or do you take a TE or something else that would be similar in value to S at this point?

Build me a board and we'll talk...

I just don't see a scenario happening where EVERYONE is gone. Hell, if that happens we're looking at someone like Penning necessarily falling.

I'd take Penning over a S. We still don't have OBJ firmed up long-term and no real long-term answer at RT since we can't count on Niang. If Penning is there because of a run on WR and DE, then I would take him over Hill.

[DJ's left nut]

So I ran a draft where every time - I mean EVERY time - there was a close question, I went with a DE or WR. Then I started looking for guys who I just wanted like Penning who I would take.

And I got all the way to 27 before there was any chance at all that I'd consider Hill. And honestly to do that requires that Pickett and Ridder are still on the board. In that event there would be a trade-down to make pretty easily.

And it would still leave Perrion Winfrey and Cameron Thomas who I'd take over Hill. I'd probably take Travis Jones and maybe even Tariq Woolen over him. I left Linderbaum on the board and I don't think that's terribly likely either, nor do I think both of the 'blue chip' backers in Lloyd and Dean will fall (one or the other likely will).

If one of the QBs goes, one of the LBs go and Linderbaum goes, it's pretty smooth sailing. If all hell breaks loose, I still think there are a couple guys I prefer there and in that event there will be QB options that will facilitate a trade-up. Having B2B picks will actually help in that regard as it limits teams ability to trade directly behind us for lesser cost. When we're at 29 and making them an offer but they think they can do better at 31, for all they know we'll flip 30 to someone to dive ahead of them. We really have some good leverage in a trade-down scenario because of the flexibility afforded by B2B picks.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd take Penning over a S. We still don't have OBJ firmed up long-term and no real long-term answer at RT since we can't count on Niang. If Penning is there because of a run on WR and DE, then I would take him over Hill.

Man I just can't stomach the thought of taking another OL. I want playmakers. I'm selfish.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Man I just can't stomach the thought of taking another OL. I want playmakers. I'm selfish.

I want my QB upright in a division that's loaded up on pass-rushers.

Is OT my preferred course? No. But if it's that or a 3rd safety/NCB? Gimme the OT every time.

Keep Mahomes upright and he'll fabricate playmakers for you. Just look at what he did w/ Pringle this year once he was getting the majority of the reps. Or Albert Wilson in a single damn game.

[kccrow]

After seeing Karlaftis as Brugler's 18th overall prospect, I'm starting to think that if the Chiefs want one of the top 5 edge rushers they have to go up fairly high. If I gotta crack the top 20, I'd go to 13 with Houston for Jermaine Johnson instead. They have a ton of picks so they'd probably be most interested in more capital next year which means it would take 29, 2023 1st, and probably 2023 4th. Veach isn't scared to be aggressive, but I'd be remiss if I didn't think Clark may put a "no-trade clause" on next year's 1st given KC is hosting the draft.

All that said, I'm more than confident that Veach is going to make a deal with New England to get ahead of Green Bay for Devonte Wyatt. Would he make 2 blockbusters in the 1st? I don't know about that.

I do like Cam Thomas and Sam Williams a bunch but I can't say I like either anywhere near as much as I like Johnson or Karlaftis. That said, multiple high picks given away in a single draft is probably too much.

My brain is hurt.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Are we supposed to be genuinely excited about the possibility of drafting this guy, or is it more of a "Meh, he's the best one we have a realistic shot at" situation? I'm not seeing why he's a sure-fire 1st rounder.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Build me a board and we'll talk...

I just don't see a scenario happening where EVERYONE is gone. Hell, if that happens we're looking at someone like Penning necessarily falling.

I'd take Penning over a S. We still don't have OBJ firmed up long-term and no real long-term answer at RT since we can't count on Niang. If Penning is there because of a run on WR and DE, then I would take him over Hill.

I would too.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So I ran a draft where every time - I mean EVERY time - there was a close question, I went with a DE or WR. Then I started looking for guys who I just wanted like Penning who I would take.

And I got all the way to 27 before there was any chance at all that I'd consider Hill. And honestly to do that requires that Pickett and Ridder are still on the board. In that event there would be a trade-down to make pretty easily.

And it would still leave Perrion Winfrey and Cameron Thomas who I'd take over Hill. I'd probably take Travis Jones and maybe even Tariq Woolen over him. I left Linderbaum on the board and I don't think that's terribly likely either, nor do I think both of the 'blue chip' backers in Lloyd and Dean will fall (one or the other likely will).

If one of the QBs goes, one of the LBs go and Linderbaum goes, it's pretty smooth sailing. If all hell breaks loose, I still think there are a couple guys I prefer there and in that event there will be QB options that will facilitate a trade-up. Having B2B picks will actually help in that regard as it limits teams ability to trade directly behind us for lesser cost. When we're at 29 and making them an offer but they think they can do better at 31, for all they know we'll flip 30 to someone to dive ahead of them. We really have some good leverage in a trade-down scenario because of the flexibility afforded by B2B picks.

Wayill...

I don't know about all of that. I like Hill, and his physical attributes combined with his football smarts could make him like a rich man's Honey Badger-and that would be a real nice piece for the back end in Spags' system.

I don't know that I'd pass up on that for guys that have a comp player that will go a round lower, such as Karlaftis (whom I like) and Cam Thomas (who's pretty much the same guy.)

It's all projection, of course, but in my glass-is-half-full sort of optimistic take, Hill could be a real star in Spagnuolo's system.

of course, so could what's his name from Baylor in the 4th round that ran a 4.26 or whatever it was. I forget right now.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

Are we supposed to be genuinely excited about the possibility of drafting this guy, or is it more of a "Meh, he's the best one we have a realistic shot at" situation? I'm not seeing why he's a sure-fire 1st rounder.

We're supposed to feel good about an upgrade at the position to what we have on the roster.

we're supposed to be excited to be improving our favorite team, The Kansas City Chiefs.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

We're supposed to feel good about an upgrade at the position to what we have on the roster.

we're supposed to be excited to be improving our favorite team, The Kansas City Chiefs.

I agree, any improvement is good, but do you think Karlaftus is a big upgrade over a guy like Danna? I'm sincerely asking, as I've only seen highlights.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

I agree, any improvement is good, but do you think Karlaftus is a big upgrade over a guy like Danna? I'm sincerely asking, as I've only seen highlights.

Oh...Oh, yeah.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

I agree, any improvement is good, but do you think Karlaftus is a big upgrade over a guy like Danna? I'm sincerely asking, as I've only seen highlights.

Over Danna? Jesus Christ yes.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

I agree, any improvement is good, but do you think Karlaftus is a big upgrade over a guy like Danna? I'm sincerely asking, as I've only seen highlights.

Lord.

You're even dumber in the draft forum than you are in DC.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Lord.

You're even dumber in the draft forum than you are in DC.

2021
Games Played: 12
Tackles: 39
Tackles For a loss: 10.0
Sacks: 4.5
Forced Fumbles: 2
Passes Defensed: 4

Not exactly overwhelming stats. I hope he's a world beater, but numbers like that don't scream "huge upgrade", thus the question. Go **** yourself.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

I agree, any improvement is good, but do you think Karlaftus is a big upgrade over a guy like Danna? I'm sincerely asking, as I've only seen highlights.

You're going to find out.