Nick Wright on what Super Bowl LV means for Mahomes

[wazu]

"I see the tweets. I see the takes." @GetNickWright defends Patrick Mahomes for Super Bowl LV loss: pic.twitter.com/6OPJilPLDQ

— Herd w/Colin Cowherd (@TheHerd) February 9, 2021

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by wazu

I think both are very different. The Royals were on a short timeline and we knew that. In 2014 I guess I felt different than you. I was crushed by the loss. I still had hope for next year, but I know how difficult it is to get back and so it really destroyed a lot of the joy of everything else that happened. Then when they came out in 2015 and dominated it was so special. As Rany put it the 2015 Royals "turned the 2014 Royals into a prologue."

But with Chiefs I know they'll be around for awhile. And winning last year takes some pressure off of any one year. I'm way less down about this loss than I was about the Royals in 2014. We have Superman playing for our team, and the future is bright. Not just this next season, but for 10-15 years.

Yeah, I 100% have that mindset with the Chiefs.... as angry as the officiating made me the other night, the loss didn't really upset me all that much. I'm old, I've seen some shit... tip your cap and move on.... and yeah, as long as Mahomes is healthy and a Chief and the organization isn't ridiculously incompetent, they'll be in the conversation just about every year.

I just think the perception out there with the legacy BS, he gets hyped up to the point that he's invincible, so people are quick to tear him down. As a fan, getting that first SB win does take off a ton of nervousness and what not.


And yeah, it's hard to explain with the '14 Royals... maybe just because I had lost my interest in them for a long while at that point. I had listened to them on the radio as a kid, baseball was the only sport I didn't completely suck at for a while, collected baseball cards, the whole bit.... and then I kind of watched some in '13 and IIRC didn't really start paying attention until at least mid-season '14.

So, as opposed to someone following the team through those years who may have seen at least a playoff appearance coming (of course, no one saw the WS thing coming), it was a weird mix of like jumping on a bandwagon for a few months, but for a long lost love. I wasn't worried about the end result, I was just happy to have it back in my life, heh.

I tried to approach '15 with the same mentality and watched every game possible that year... but, of course everyone knew that was it after that season, so not winning it that year would have stung a bit since it was so damn fun to watch.

[mschiefs1984]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

I was actually defending Mahomes, and it's certainly no shame that he's lost to a pair of Brady teams in the playoffs, but this is a terrible comp. Brady won 10 playoff games before dropping his first, and that was to a 13-3 team. He then lost to the 12-4 Peyton Mannings in the AFCCG, and followed that up with the 18-1 season. So Brady's legacy was already firmly in place before Sanchez was even in the picture.

I think we are both trying to defend Mahomes here

Let me just say it like this. The Year after Brady won his first super bowl he missed the playoffs. This did not define his legacy nor should it. But it did happen. Sunday night when Mahomes is done should not and will not define his legacy nor should it. It will be written by the entire body of work. And that is yet to be written.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by mschiefs1984

And when did Mahomes miss the postseason starting all 16 games like Brady has. These are on his resume and didn't define his career. Mahomes career isn't defined by his "worst moment"

Brady did that only in his second season, after having taken a Patriots team that had been been in a steady decline up until 5-11 in 2000, and then started out at 0-2 in 2001, to the SB win over the Rams. And that miss of the playoffs was because the Patriots lost on a tiebreaker, and it was sandwiched in the middle of 3 Super Bowl victories. Brady's only missed the playoffs as a starter that one time in his career, and he's still never started an NFL game where his team had already been eliminated from SB contention. Mahomes, on the other hand took over a Chiefs team that had been to the playoffs 3 years in a row, and hadn't been worse than a 10 win team during that time.

Seriously, y'all should stop with the Brady playoff comps. They don't end well for Mahomes right now.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by mschiefs1984

I think we are both trying to defend Mahomes here

Let me just say it like this. The Year after Brady won his first super bowl he missed the playoffs. This did not define his legacy nor should it. But it did happen. Sunday night when Mahomes is done should not and will not define his legacy nor should it. It will be written by the entire body of work. And that is yet to be written.

Yeah, it's too early for people to be worried about Mahomes' legacy based on playoff games right now.

Peyton Manning was a choking dog for most of his playoff career, yet he'll be remembered for his 2 SB victories.

[mschiefs1984]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Yeah, it's too early for people to be worried about Mahomes' legacy based on playoff games right now.

Peyton Manning was a choking dog for most of his playoff career, yet he'll be remembered for his 2 SB victories.

This is kind of what I am saying.

I was Using Brady as an example of how you can choose an early or bad moment for any QB and say he isn't that great. Brady even has those moments. That's all I was saying with bringing up Brady.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by wazu

I think both are very different. The Royals were on a short timeline and we knew that. In 2014 I guess I felt different than you. I was crushed by the loss. I still had hope for next year, but I know how difficult it is to get back and so it really destroyed a lot of the joy of everything else that happened. Then when they came out in 2015 and dominated it was so special. As Rany put it the 2015 Royals "turned the 2014 Royals into a prologue."

But with Chiefs I know they'll be around for awhile. And winning last year takes some pressure off of any one year. I'm way less down about this loss than I was about the Royals in 2014. We have Superman playing for our team, and the future is bright. Not just this next season, but for 10-15 years.

I also think the economics of the sport played into that. There have been small market teams make it to the World Series, even the Rays last year... but it's hard. There are teams with a lot of money and power to try and overcome, and just less playoff teams in general so it's not easy. No small market team has really done what the Royals did... make it to 2 straight World Series like that. And the only reason they lost the first one was an all-time pitching performance.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by tk13

I also think the economics of the sport played into that. There have been small market teams make it to the World Series, even the Rays last year... but it's hard. There are teams with a lot of money and power to try and overcome, and just less playoff teams in general so it's not easy. No small market team has really done what the Royals did... make it to 2 straight World Series like that. And the only reason they lost the first one was an all-time pitching performance.

Absolutely. The broken structure of the MLB had basically eliminated all hope for us. But the Royals still beat the system. In the NFL we've always known that at the end of the day, at least it's a level playing field. Everybody has the same amount of money. Win or lose, it's on you.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by tk13

I also think the economics of the sport played into that. There have been small market teams make it to the World Series, even the Rays last year... but it's hard. There are teams with a lot of money and power to try and overcome, and just less playoff teams in general so it's not easy. No small market team has really done what the Royals did... make it to 2 straight World Series like that. And the only reason they lost the first one was an all-time pitching performance.

Great point. In football, with the cap, if you have a great QB you're probably going to be great. Small markets like KC, Green Bay and Indianapolis have proved that time and time again. No such thing in baseball. Hell, the Royals had the "great QB" in 2009 and barely avoided losing 100 games.

What we saw in 2014/2015 was extremely rare and not likely to be repeated for some time.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

Great point. In football, with the cap, if you have a great QB you're probably going to be great. Small markets like KC, Green Bay and Indianapolis have proved that time and time again. No such thing in baseball. Hell, the Royals had the "great QB" in 2009 and barely avoided losing 100 games.

What we saw in 2014/2015 was extremely rare and not likely to be repeated for some time.

Yeah, and I think if we hadn't lost Yordano they would have had a better shot at the playoffs in 17. He had pitched pretty well in the second half of 16 and seemed to be on the upswing.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by jerryaldini

It wasn't even a bad game.

The officiating was absolute horseshit.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

The officiating was absolute horseshit.

I think he means it wasn't a bad game for Mahomes ( using the true premise of lies, damn lies and statistics), not that it wasn't a bad game overall.

[UChieffyBugger]

A lot of us bought into the "Pat losing to Brady hurts his goat chances" narrative but the fact is he was set up to fail before a snap was even taken. No O-line, hurt toe, Reid dealing with his son's issues and playing in the opponants backyard..tell me how many qb's in history win under those circumstances? And yet idiots like Skip Bayless, Shannon Sharp, Bucky Brooks and Marcelius Wiley would have you believe that it was Pat's fault smh. As far as goat talk is concerned yall wanna know what Pat has on his side? NINE YEARS!!..and what do I mean by that you wonder? It's nine years that Brady went between winning his third and fourth rings. It's up to Pat to make those nine years count in HIS favour.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Yeah, it's too early for people to be worried about Mahomes' legacy based on playoff games right now.

Peyton Manning was a choking dog for most of his playoff career, yet he'll be remembered for his 2 SB victories.

I assess Peyton as a playoff choker, a technician surrounded by journeymen for most of his career, who is a good personality and is entertaining outside football.

He was a chess/math genius who settled for a state school, until his retirement tour in the Rockys.

[UK_Chief]

I think this will be huge motivation for Pat. At the end of his career we could be grateful for a painful loss in this way. He’s going to demand much more of himself and everyone around him. Hopefully Andy will support that attitude. Andy’s great but I do sometimes think he might be too nice for his own good

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Yeah, it's too early for people to be worried about Mahomes' legacy based on playoff games right now.

Agreed. I think a lot of the hand-wringing here is because we hoped his resume would be flawless and now it's just ridiculously amazing.