Yeah the line was horrendous, but the refs put this game out of reach

[dlphg9]

Play by the line was the worst excuse for blocking that I have ever seen and the WRs let Pat down so many times it was unreal, but our play way the least of our worries. The refs were not going to let Tom Brady lose a home Super Bowl.

7 penalties for 82 yds on KC

1 penalty for 5 yds on TB

5 of those 7 penalties were key reasons as to why the Bucs had a 21-6 lead at halftime.

On the Bucs 2nd TD they were gifted 3 huge penalties

The holding call on the punt which made us punt again. Punt was shanked and instead of the Bucs starting at their own 30 they start at the KC 38.

The horse shit defensive holding call that negated a Mathieu int. One of many penalties that was borderline at best. This type of play happens all season and is rarely called during the regular season and is never called in the postseason since the officials typically swallow their whistles.

Horseshit offsides call on the FG which resulted in a first down. Didn't look like he was lined up in the neutral zone and there definitely should have been a measurement to verify that it was actually a first down.

Very next play Bucs score a TD.

Bucs 3rd TD drive to go up 21-6 right before halftime is another bullshit sequence of ticky tack penalties that should never been called. One 34 yard pass interference call because feet got tangled and the WR fell. A play you see, but is never called a penalty. A few plays later we see a ball thrown out of the back of the end zone that nearly hits the wall, a ball that had no chance of being caught, but still the flags come in flying. PI on TM and the ball goes to the 1 yard line.

The officials seemed to be calling two different games. When the Bucs had the ball the officials were quick to throw a flag, but once the Chiefs went on offense this officiating crew decided to go back to the way playoff games are normally called and they didn't want to affect the game.

That game should have been 10-6 at half and the momentum would have been in KCs favor.

Sure during a game I will bitch about officiating, but once I've had time to think rationally I'm usually not a blame the refs guy. I gave myself some time to think about this loss with a clear head and I still very strongly believe those officials influenced the outcome of that game and it was much more than they typically do.

There was one play towards the end of the game where Suh lunged at Pat leading with his helmet and it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact with Pat, no flag. Another time I saw someone hit Pat in the helmet with their hand, no flag. I saw multiple instances in which a defender made contact with a receiver early or grabbing and holding a receiver after the initial 5 yards.

These guys are playing against the best of the best and it doesn't take many mistakes to cause a superior team to lose to an inferior team. Having shit stain refs that are clearly favoring 1 team over the other can be impossible to over come.

Tom Brady has consistently had the refs help him out. I went back to the NE vs NYG game, which just happens to be the most fairly officiated game and what a surprise the Tom Bradies lost that game, to see how fair the officiating has been.

Tom Brady teams (5 games) - 21 penalties/146 penalty yds/17 1st downs from penalties

His opponents - 40 penalties/344 penalty yds/8 1st downs from penalties

Hell tonight we had 120 penalty yards which is only 26 yds less than Tom's teams have had in 5 games. Tonight Tom's team got 6 first downs from the result of a penalty. That's almost the entire total of his SB opponents combined.

Once again the refs were instrumental in Tom winning another Super Bowl. Tom's and the Patriots dynasty/legacy is the biggest fraud in sports. Phony champions that consistently cheated and required the NFL and refs to bail them out. The sooner that fraud Tom hangs it up the better.

Here's some more "interesting" stats

So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized

47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards.

His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards.

Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called.

11 games

135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties

That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team

Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties

Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties.

The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12.

50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing.

Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If Andy doesn’t call the timeouts, two of those penalties aren’t called. If the clock is run KC gets the ball to start the second half Down 14-6.

Plus, KC only got 3 to start the 3rd while Tampa got 7.

3s don’t beat 7s

Look at the plays when we got inside the 30 on the 2nd half drive. Was the level of defensive holding and illegal contact being called for the Bucs in the first half... That's the point. We were already disadvantaged by a suspect Oline and the the game being called unevenly made it difficult to score TDs. It's actually quite simple to understand and I'm not one to bitch about the officials that much. Again, are you all confident, if we would have made some of those catches and closed the gap to one score, that the flags wouldn't have mysteriously returned? I'm not...

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

When guys like Chris Simms are saying they had an issue with "all" of the calls in the 1st half, you know it's not just the same crying about the refs. When the CBS panel spends their entire half time show going out to 100M people criticizing the refereeing on a network that tries its best to kowtow to the league's every whim, you know it's not just the same crying about the refs either.

That was some really ****ed up shit that happened on Sunday night. I suppose it makes it easier to reconcile if we simply say we would have lost anyway, but I'm just not entirely sure that is the case.

On a side note, I was even yelling at the halftime guys for downplaying it.... I think one guy used the term "ticky-tack" and someone said "gotta let them play a little"...... which launched me into a "IT'S NOT ****ING TICKY-TACK IF THERE ISN'T EVEN A GODDAMNED PENALTY TO CALL.... TICKY-TACK IS 'WELL, THEY USUALLY DON'T CALL THAT A HOLD, BUT IT'S STILL A HOLD BY THE BOOK' ..... NOT A DPI CALL THAT LITERALLY CAN'T EVER BE A DPI CALL BY RULE BECAUSE IT HIT THE BACK ****ING WALL!!!

I was perhaps a bit amped up after that second quarter.

[arrwheader]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I don't believe the proper term is "rigged" either (although I do think the NFL is up there with soccer as one of the sports that would be easiest to rig if a ref really wanted to). I think it's just blatant bias/favoritism toward certain players and in particular Tom Brady.

It happens in the NBA to a certain extent too. I'm as big a LeBron fan as there is, but it's obvious he gets more calls than anybody in the NBA at this stage of his career. It isn't because the league is rigged (there's no way they're ever letting the Toronto Raptors win a title if that shit is rigged), it's because of who he is and the reputation he has built. The same thing happened to MJ before him.

Brady is going to get the benefit of the calls until he leaves the league due to the reputation/mythology that has been built up around him. You'd just hope it wouldn't be so blatant as Sunday.

Yea the only thing that makes no sense to me is that why would the league at all want to help Tom Brady? I mean most everyone outside of Pats fans are sick and tired of that guy I mean it is to the point where when he play's in the SB the ratings a down a lot. Everyone is sick of that mother ****er. I was in Tampa and even Bucs fans I was around didn't really like the guy, they just happy they got the black magic boy on their team.

I think this one was a "well we think the Chiefs are going to score a lot so we'll start out by trying to even the field by getting flag happy early" and it backfired because we just had no offensive line or apparently a coaching staff.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by arrwheader

Yea the only thing that makes no sense to me is that why would the league at all want to help Tom Brady? I mean most everyone outside of Pats fans are sick and tired of that guy I mean it is to the point where when he play's in the SB the ratings a down a lot. Everyone is sick of that mother ****er. I was in Tampa and even Bucs fans I was around didn't really like the guy, they just happy they got the black magic boy on their team.

I think this one was a "well we think the Chiefs are going to score a lot so we'll start out by trying to even the field by getting flag happy early" and it backfired because we just had no offensive line or apparently a coaching staff.

That sounds so crazy you make me think it is possible.

[arrwheader]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

That sounds so crazy you make me think it is possible.

Which part?

[Pants]

Another great video to watch if you're a masochist.

Andy actually had some great plays drawn up and they were called at the right time.

Stupid **** ups by the WRs (not drops) and of course the non-existent pass pro did us in:

[displacedinMN]

Did anyone else hear TB say "How could you not expect this to happen"

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I believe it would have, yes. Those calls weren't getting made in the 2nd half primarily because of the score and because we had stopped playing as physical.

My feeling on the matter is that, as others have mentioned, the refs are given two weeks to prepare for this game and as such broke these teams down and over-emphasized.

Surely they saw how KC was playing coverage in the playoffs and either the Bucs or the NFL made a deal about it. Probably both. So instead of the "let them play" like we saw in the playoffs, they were LOOKING to throw the flags in the SB.

Once halftime rolled around they likely got the call to let them play. But by then the entire flow of the game was ****ed.

Either way, im convinced that the refs completely intended to neuter our secondary, likely thinking it would lead to a more competitive game.

[redfan]

Originally Posted by arrwheader

Which part?

All of it sounds plausible
Refs overdid it a little at first on the home cooking for the TB defense and TB12. Combine that with no line and Andy's head in KC, and the blowout was on. I don't think the Chiefs could overcome even one of these issues in Tampa.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

My feeling on the matter is that, as others have mentioned, the refs are given two weeks to prepare for this game and as such broke these teams down and over-emphasized.

Surely they saw how KC was playing coverage in the playoffs and either the Bucs or the NFL made a deal about it. Probably both. So instead of the "let them play" like we saw in the playoffs, they were LOOKING to throw the flags in the SB.

Once halftime rolled around they likely got the call to let them play. But by then the entire flow of the game was ****ed.

Either way, im convinced that the refs completely intended to neuter our secondary, likely thinking it would lead to a more competitive game.

The only problem with this theory is that the Bucs secondary was even more physical than the Chiefs in the playoffs.

[dlphg9]

Updated OP with this load of shit. Not trying to spam this, but just want to make sure it doesn't get missed, since it's so incredibly egregious.

Here's some more "interesting" stats

So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized

47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards.

His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards.

Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called.

11 games

135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties

That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team

Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties

Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties.

The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12.

50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing.

Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

The refs didn't cost us the game for crissakes.


Mahomes running around behind the line of scrimmage for 497 yards. Trying to not get killed by 340lb men looking to **** him up and coaching did us in.

What game were you watching?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by arrwheader

Which part?

Where the officiating wasn't done to help Brady but to keep it close for a good game.

Of course then they should have thrown flags to get us back in it in the 2nd but they put their whistles away once Tampa had a nice lead.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Either way, im convinced that the refs completely intended to neuter our secondary, likely thinking it would lead to a more competitive game.

So you are finally admitting the refs were "instructed" by outside forces? That this was done intentionally to give the viewing public a more entertaining game?

Just checking ...I thought it was just the randomness of sports and there was no conceivable way that corruption could possibly play a part.

If the NFL is premeditatingly creating a strategy to limit a team's success...it is compromised.

Welcome to reality...glad to see you finally made it.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

So you are finally admitting the refs were "instructed" by outside forces? That this was done intentionally to give the viewing public a more entertaining game?

Just checking ...I thought it was just the randomness of sports and there was no conceivable way that corruption could possibly play a part.

If the NFL is premeditatingly creating a strategy to limit a team's success...it is compromised.

Welcome to reality...glad to see you finally made it.

The problem I've personally always had with it is that it's just an exercise in finding a way to plug a game into a conspiracy, and you'll always be able to do that. Chiefs win, well it was obviously this one call or whatever.... Bucs win, well, it was obviously this call.

And even in this case, I seriously doubt whatever the **** we watched Sunday night was not how the NFL wanted it to play out, because I don't remember anything close to this when it comes to the volume of calls that were just completely false, and why would they start being so blatant about it now. It's a bad look for the NFL and they could do far less to steer the game in whatever direction.

The thought process in these threads makes sense though... the NFL obviously works with refs all the time, they tell them what to look for, etc.... and in theory, they would actually have to build in an effort NOT to steer games a certain way, because they could obviously accidentally do it if it's "watch these few players" and then the refs are dumbasses and don't call it both ways.

I don't think there's any "finally" about it for those reasons.... we all have our own thresholds and analysis when it comes to this kind of stuff and what's incompetence versus conspiracy and so forth and it's never, ever been this bad.