Yeah the line was horrendous, but the refs put this game out of reach

[dlphg9]

Play by the line was the worst excuse for blocking that I have ever seen and the WRs let Pat down so many times it was unreal, but our play way the least of our worries. The refs were not going to let Tom Brady lose a home Super Bowl.

7 penalties for 82 yds on KC

1 penalty for 5 yds on TB

5 of those 7 penalties were key reasons as to why the Bucs had a 21-6 lead at halftime.

On the Bucs 2nd TD they were gifted 3 huge penalties

The holding call on the punt which made us punt again. Punt was shanked and instead of the Bucs starting at their own 30 they start at the KC 38.

The horse shit defensive holding call that negated a Mathieu int. One of many penalties that was borderline at best. This type of play happens all season and is rarely called during the regular season and is never called in the postseason since the officials typically swallow their whistles.

Horseshit offsides call on the FG which resulted in a first down. Didn't look like he was lined up in the neutral zone and there definitely should have been a measurement to verify that it was actually a first down.

Very next play Bucs score a TD.

Bucs 3rd TD drive to go up 21-6 right before halftime is another bullshit sequence of ticky tack penalties that should never been called. One 34 yard pass interference call because feet got tangled and the WR fell. A play you see, but is never called a penalty. A few plays later we see a ball thrown out of the back of the end zone that nearly hits the wall, a ball that had no chance of being caught, but still the flags come in flying. PI on TM and the ball goes to the 1 yard line.

The officials seemed to be calling two different games. When the Bucs had the ball the officials were quick to throw a flag, but once the Chiefs went on offense this officiating crew decided to go back to the way playoff games are normally called and they didn't want to affect the game.

That game should have been 10-6 at half and the momentum would have been in KCs favor.

Sure during a game I will bitch about officiating, but once I've had time to think rationally I'm usually not a blame the refs guy. I gave myself some time to think about this loss with a clear head and I still very strongly believe those officials influenced the outcome of that game and it was much more than they typically do.

There was one play towards the end of the game where Suh lunged at Pat leading with his helmet and it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact with Pat, no flag. Another time I saw someone hit Pat in the helmet with their hand, no flag. I saw multiple instances in which a defender made contact with a receiver early or grabbing and holding a receiver after the initial 5 yards.

These guys are playing against the best of the best and it doesn't take many mistakes to cause a superior team to lose to an inferior team. Having shit stain refs that are clearly favoring 1 team over the other can be impossible to over come.

Tom Brady has consistently had the refs help him out. I went back to the NE vs NYG game, which just happens to be the most fairly officiated game and what a surprise the Tom Bradies lost that game, to see how fair the officiating has been.

Tom Brady teams (5 games) - 21 penalties/146 penalty yds/17 1st downs from penalties

His opponents - 40 penalties/344 penalty yds/8 1st downs from penalties

Hell tonight we had 120 penalty yards which is only 26 yds less than Tom's teams have had in 5 games. Tonight Tom's team got 6 first downs from the result of a penalty. That's almost the entire total of his SB opponents combined.

Once again the refs were instrumental in Tom winning another Super Bowl. Tom's and the Patriots dynasty/legacy is the biggest fraud in sports. Phony champions that consistently cheated and required the NFL and refs to bail them out. The sooner that fraud Tom hangs it up the better.

Here's some more "interesting" stats

So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized

47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards.

His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards.

Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called.

11 games

135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties

That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team

Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties

Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties.

The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12.

50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing.

Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I think the Bucs also did a far better job at adjusting and slowing down the pass rush with their dump-offs to Gronk and committing to the run... Simms reviewed that and said they were still getting into that offense in week 12, but it's what has protected Brady the past several weeks. After the 2nd or 3rd one of those screens, I figured things would open up for them.

And it's exactly the kind of stuff the Chiefs desperately needed in their game plan, and we all thought they were holding back for a game like this... shovel passes to Kelce, committing to CEH, etc; and I think Simms touched on it, too, that maybe Reid was just too afraid of the offensive line to even do those things.

As far as officiating, I think the Bills/Chiefs shenanigans would be a good excuse for the NFL to crackdown on some of that stuff, but that obviously wouldn't include completely phantom defensive holds and DPIs.

Yep, the total and complete lack of razzle dazzle had me perplexed at first... then I remembered that we had 5 Louie Andersons along the O line

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Yep, the total and complete lack of razzle dazzle had me perplexed at first... then I remembered that we had 5 Louie Andersons along the O line

Holy shit. 5 Louie Andersons.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I mean they gifted Brady 14 points in the 1st half on phantom DPIs/holding calls and prevented us from playing the same physical defense that got us to the game in the 2nd half in a 22 point loss. If that isn't costing us the game, I'm not sure what would qualify.

If Andy doesn’t call the timeouts, two of those penalties aren’t called. If the clock is run KC gets the ball to start the second half Down 14-6.

Plus, KC only got 3 to start the 3rd while Tampa got 7.

3s don’t beat 7s

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I mean they gifted Brady 14 points in the 1st half on phantom DPIs/holding calls and prevented us from playing the same physical defense that got us to the game in the 2nd half in a 22 point loss. If that isn't costing us the game, I'm not sure what would qualify.

Yeah, it's not just the same crying about the refs that's happened here for the past 20 years.

I was going back and slowing down some of that shit after it happened, partly due to the cognitive dissonance of suddenly being that guy who cries about the refs when his team is losing, and partly because I simply couldn't believe/process how blatantly horrid the calls were at the time.

And if it's 7-6 or 10-6 at halftime, the Chiefs still kick the FG and say the Bucs still score their TD, it's 14-9 or 17-9, and that's where the rest of the game changes, because the Chiefs aren't down 19 and in a no huddle offense and so forth.

[arrwheader]

NFL could make their officiating more consistent and simplify rules and processes to make it better. They don't, and I don't think it is because they don't know how. I am not naïve enough to think they don't have a purpose behind that. I don't think rigged but I can see "influenced" Teams have to overcome it to win like it is a part of the game.

I Also think Brady has his team dedicate a whole section or whatever at practice on drawing flags. Where they study film find tendencies and try to exploit it and design a play to draw a flag. I really do. I also think they do it as well with personalities, anything to piss a guy off to draw a flag. I think they practice it and try their best to make it not look like a flop and it works. Guy was cheesing big time on that penalty on Jones, like the plan is working.

We lost the game we didn't score a touchdown. The biggest question we all need to ask is why we looked so un creative and un prepared. The Chiefs get this far on a "run it back" campaign and then just don't prepare for zone defense, offensive line issues (when their whole oline is out) etc. ? That is the part I can't understand the most. It was like they just didn't care.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If Andy doesn’t call the timeouts, two of those penalties aren’t called. If the clock is run KC gets the ball to start the second half Down 14-6.

Plus, KC only got 3 to start the 3rd while Tampa got 7.

3s don’t beat 7s

Andy probably wasn't expecting the refs to completely gift Tampa 7 points in that situation based on absolutely joke calls.

Maybe he should have, though, I mean we've all seen Brady benefit from this shit for years and years.

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If Andy doesn’t call the timeouts, two of those penalties aren’t called. If the clock is run KC gets the ball to start the second half Down 14-6.

Plus, KC only got 3 to start the 3rd while Tampa got 7.

3s don’t beat 7s

The timeouts were really stupid. Let Tampa either run hurry up or let the clock expire. Of course the PI was the wrong call as well so there is that.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, it's not just the same crying about the refs that's happened here for the past 20 years.

I was going back and slowing down some of that shit after it happened, partly due to the cognitive dissonance of suddenly being that guy who cries about the refs when his team is losing, and partly because I simply couldn't believe/process how blatantly horrid the calls were at the time.

And if it's 7-6 or 10-6 at halftime, the Chiefs still kick the FG and say the Bucs still score their TD, it's 14-9 or 17-9, and that's where the rest of the game changes, because the Chiefs aren't down 19 and in a no huddle offense and so forth.

When guys like Chris Simms are saying they had an issue with "all" of the calls in the 1st half, you know it's not just the same crying about the refs. When the CBS panel spends their entire half time show going out to 100M people criticizing the refereeing on a network that tries its best to kowtow to the league's every whim, you know it's not just the same crying about the refs either.

That was some really ****ed up shit that happened on Sunday night. I suppose it makes it easier to reconcile if we simply say we would have lost anyway, but I'm just not entirely sure that is the case.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Shields68

The timeouts were really stupid. Let Tampa either run hurry up or let the clock expire. Of course the PI was the wrong call as well so there is that.

The 1st timeout was fine. The 2nd one I thought was bad in that context (was 3rd and short, odds are they will pick that up).

[The Franchise]

We lost because of a combination....

1. Horrible gameplan
2. Horrible offensive line play
3. Horrible WR/TE play
4. No adjustments
5. Getting ****ed in the first half by the refs

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Shields68

The timeouts were really stupid. Let Tampa either run hurry up or let the clock expire. Of course Both PIs was the wrong call as well so there is that.

FYP

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

We lost because of a combination....

1. Horrible gameplan
2. Horrible offensive line play
3. Horrible WR/TE play
4. No adjustments
5. Getting ****ed in the first half by the refs

and if we would have gotten close would it have continued in the 2nd?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by arrwheader

NFL could make their officiating more consistent and simplify rules and processes to make it better. They don't, and I don't think it is because they don't know how. I am not naïve enough to think they don't have a purpose behind that. I don't think rigged but I can see "influenced" Teams have to overcome it to win like it is a part of the game.

I Also think Brady has his team dedicate a whole section or whatever at practice on drawing flags. Where they study film find tendencies and try to exploit it and design a play to draw a flag. I really do. I also think they do it as well with personalities, anything to piss a guy off to draw a flag. I think they practice it and try their best to make it not look like a flop and it works. Guy was cheesing big time on that penalty on Jones, like the plan is working.

We lost the game we didn't score a touchdown. The biggest question we all need to ask is why we looked so un creative and un prepared. The Chiefs get this far on a "run it back" campaign and then just don't prepare for zone defense, offensive line issues (when their whole oline is out) etc. ? That is the part I can't understand the most. It was like they just didn't care.

I don't believe the proper term is "rigged" either (although I do think the NFL is up there with soccer as one of the sports that would be easiest to rig if a ref really wanted to). I think it's just blatant bias/favoritism toward certain players and in particular Tom Brady.

It happens in the NBA to a certain extent too. I'm as big a LeBron fan as there is, but it's obvious he gets more calls than anybody in the NBA at this stage of his career. It isn't because the league is rigged (there's no way they're ever letting the Toronto Raptors win a title if that shit is rigged), it's because of who he is and the reputation he has built. The same thing happened to MJ before him.

Brady is going to get the benefit of the calls until he leaves the league due to the reputation/mythology that has been built up around him. You'd just hope it wouldn't be so blatant as Sunday.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Yep, the total and complete lack of razzle dazzle had me perplexed at first... then I remembered that we had 5 Louie Andersons along the O line

Sure, and as pointed out, they had a couple of screens blown up, too... and I get that it simply may not have mattered.

There were no great options and also several drops that of course can't be blamed on play calling. Convert a few of those and there's less room for the what-ifs.

The options are to continue to try shoving that square peg into the round hole with downfield passing.... and if there's one person who can do it, of course it's Mahomes..... or change it up and the worst that happens is you still end up with 9 points at the end of the game.

And we're very used to this offense scoring ~30 points/game no matter what and making relatively low percentage plays look easy... so, the one time in a year and a half that doesn't happen in a meaningful game, the knee-jerk is to say they should have done it completely differently.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

and if we would have gotten close would it have continued in the 2nd?

I believe it would have, yes. Those calls weren't getting made in the 2nd half primarily because of the score and because we had stopped playing as physical.