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Old 04-09-2020, 12:29 PM  
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So lets talk some legit options for our pick.
So with Breeland coming back that pretty much leaves us open to take the best player on the board.

I'd like in this thread to post some videos and such since in a lot of threads there are questions about how good a guy is and what he can do so twitter and youtube of course are great for vids.

Even though I've pined for Willie Gay quite a bit there are numerous other guys I'd be fine with using our pick on because well they'd be fine fits.

So I'll start with some Willie Gay video since I've been asked a few times what he's good at...
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Old 04-10-2020, 07:18 AM   #76
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Watch him close...
I took him with the 104th pick in our mock
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Old 04-10-2020, 07:25 AM   #77
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Willie Gay is not a good football player. Cool athlete, but that's it.


Yea that says he can't play...
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Old 04-10-2020, 07:25 AM   #78
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I took him with the 104th pick in our mock
Yea he's going way higher than that.
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Old 04-10-2020, 07:30 AM   #79
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Willie Gay is not a good football player. Cool athlete, but that's it.
This is a really lazy take.
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Old 04-10-2020, 07:52 AM   #80
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Yea that says he can't play...
Cool, play him at safety then. Until he can not be reckless in pursuit angles and unable to instinctively react to an offense then I don't want him anywhere near the line.
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Old 04-10-2020, 07:58 AM   #81
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This is a really lazy take.
Ok, here's my take then.

He takes truly terrible pursuit angles and tends to just go in a direction rather than reading the play unfolding and reacting. When his angle is correct he can be a fierce and fearless hitter. Doesn't have natural instincts and can be caught out of position too easily. Has average speed sideline to sideline despite his awesome 40 of 4.46. He's not strong at the POA, gets pushed around easily. Drawn out of position easily on play fakes. Closing speed is great and can be very disruptive when shooting a gap blitzing. His problem is there's too much guessing going on and not enough football IQ to understand where to be after the snap. I'd rather have Akeem Davis Gaither, who actually understands assignments and can make consistent plays.

Great athlete. Not a great football player.
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Old 04-10-2020, 08:12 AM   #82
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So much of the ILB spot is about instincts. I dunno that you can really teach that.
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Ok, here's my take then.

He takes truly terrible pursuit angles and tends to just go in a direction rather than reading the play unfolding and reacting. When his angle is correct he can be a fierce and fearless hitter. Doesn't have natural instincts and can be caught out of position too easily. Has average speed sideline to sideline despite his awesome 40 of 4.46. He's not strong at the POA, gets pushed around easily. Drawn out of position easily on play fakes. Closing speed is great and can be very disruptive when shooting a gap blitzing. His problem is there's too much guessing going on and not enough football IQ to understand where to be after the snap. I'd rather have Akeem Davis Gaither, who actually understands assignments and can make consistent plays.

Great athlete. Not a great football player.

I watched Gay against Louisville. Yeah, he looks like a special teams guy at the NFL level because he can't play linebacker. There was one snap where he looked really good and shot through and took someone down. But the rest of the plays made me think that was an accident as he was constantly taking bad angles.
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At the same time...



That's as impressive as a game film as you'll see from any LB, his angles need work no question but if you have faith in your coaching staff that shouldn't be an issue.
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That's as impressive as a game film as you'll see from any LB, his angles need work no question but if you have faith in your coaching staff that shouldn't be an issue.
Exactly. You and I both know that I’m not quite as high on Gay as you are, but it’s obvious that a lot of people haven’t watched this Alabama game because the guy has absolutely flashed against the best of the best.
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I dunno. Angles and instincts at LB are similar to accuracy issues for a QB. I don't know how much of that can really be "taught".

I'm assuming he woudln't be the pick at 32 and more likely a 2nd rounder? Or are we talking about him at 32?
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Exactly. You and I both know that I’m not quite as high on Gay as you are, but it’s obvious that a lot of people haven’t watched this Alabama game because the guy has absolutely flashed against the best of the best.
The thing that is throwing me off, is if he had all the shit people are throwing out as why we can't pick him, more playing time, no suspension, better angles, then guess what, he's being picked around #12 not 32, those issues are why we have a shot at this dude.
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I dunno. Angles and instincts at LB are similar to accuracy issues for a QB. I don't know how much of that can really be "taught".

I'm assuming he woudln't be the pick at 32 and more likely a 2nd rounder? Or are we talking about him at 32?
Last I saw dudes with legit connections think at worst he goes by 40.
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I dunno. Angles and instincts at LB are similar to accuracy issues for a QB. I don't know how much of that can really be "taught".

I'm assuming he woudln't be the pick at 32 and more likely a 2nd rounder? Or are we talking about him at 32?
Agreed. Instincts are a trait. Why in the world would you spend a high pick on a linebacker that has poor instincts?

What we need is an eraser...a guy that can diagnose the run and pass and has range..covering up mistakes and erasing them. That's what we need.

Look at Devin Bush last year. That's what a linebacker looks like.
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