Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League

[dlphg9]

Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year.

Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating.

If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players.

There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league.

1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well

2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away.

3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting.

Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

There's more than Alex; as I wrote above it was one example.

As for your highlighted sentence, tell that to Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. When things got tough, they both had the mindset of "keep firing, just keep firing," did they not?

You don't win it all by being safe. You win it all by taking chances. Which was exactly my biggest problem with Alex; he didn't take enough shots when the game was on the line. You want to win big, you have to take big risks. Every uber successful person knows that.

Im sorry, but are you comparing an organization ignoring their history of being burned and just throwing big contracts out and hoping it doesnt blow up in their face to Andy Reid telling the best ****ing qb on the planet its okay to keep throwing?

Again, the level of fail here is staggering.

One is a coin flip. Its either gonna work, or it isnt.

Putting the football in Patrick Mahomes hands and removing his leash is hardly gambling bro. Thats the ****ing safe play.

Oh Andy Reid, that gambler! Putting the ball in Mahomes hands with the biggest game on the line! What coach has the guts to do that?!!

[Buckweath]

I want to resign Jones but would give him 19M per season. Maybe just maybe 20M.

No to anything more than that. And yes to a trade if he plays hardball.

We should have learned our lesson with Berry and Houston. There is no point to handing out those massive deals and end up having to throw away those players because their play unsurprisingly take a dip.

Give Jones a reasonable deal and at least you can somewhat manage if his play falls off a bit which is very possible.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2?

John Randle, and the dude was only 6'1 245lbs. Guy was a ****ing beast. 137.5 sacks playing DT. 9 of 14 seasons double digit sack totals, half sack away from being 10 out of 14. Trash talk second to none. Eyeblack second to none.

Circa '99-'00 Warren Sapp was pretty God damn terrifying also.


Im sure there are others, but Randle and Sapp immediately come to mind when you talk qb killing DTs.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

John Randle, and the dude was only 6'1 245lbs. Guy was a ****ing beast. 137.5 sacks playing DT. 9 of 14 seasons double digit sack totals, half sack away from being 10 out of 14. Trash talk second to none. Eyeblack second to none.

Circa '99-'00 Warren Sapp was pretty God damn terrifying also.


Im sure there are others, but Randle and Sapp immediately come to mind when you talk qb killing DTs.

Reggie White played and rotated to RDE ,DT, and LDE positions on the line for the Packers when he was called upon to do so

[Red Dawg]

Give it up. No chance he will play here unless he signs the tag. Even if he does probably traded. We need more picks with only 5.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Give it up. No chance he will play here unless he signs the tag. Even if he does probably traded. We need more picks with only 5.

Are you going to add anything of substance or are you just going to keep repeating the same thing over and over.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Give it up. No chance he will play here unless he signs the tag. Even if he does probably traded. We need more picks with only 5.

Really? How so?

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by e3263518

So calling another forum member in a completely unprovoked manner "a stupid mother****er" and "kill yourself" is cool? Some of you here sure do have some strange logic. There was nothing cool or funny about what he wrote. And he doesn't have testicles big enough to say shit like that to me in person because he would not like the outcome.

Awww, who's a cute little noob? You are! Yes you are...

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by TEX

Really? How so?

He's been posting almost that same exact thing all over this thread. Multiple times a day.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by e3263518

So calling another forum member in a completely unprovoked manner "a stupid mother****er" and "kill yourself" is cool? Some of you here sure do have some strange logic. There was nothing cool or funny about what he wrote. And he doesn't have testicles big enough to say shit like that to me in person because he would not like the outcome.

Ah. This one has yet to partake of the delicious antifreeze while perishing atop the burning AIDS tree before being pulled down with nuthooks.

Letter and lot of numbers guy, this will end badly for you.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

There's more than Alex; as I wrote above it was one example.

As for your highlighted sentence, tell that to Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. When things got tough, they both had the mindset of "keep firing, just keep firing," did they not?

You don't win it all by being safe. You win it all by taking chances. Which was exactly my biggest problem with Alex; he didn't take enough shots when the game was on the line. You want to win big, you have to take big risks. Every uber successful person knows that.

No.

You take calculated risks. But no one on here wants to do... you know... the calculating.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

No.

You take calculated risks. But no one on here wants to do... you know... the calculating.

“Big,” “calculated,” we’re arguing semantics at this point. The point is that you have to roll the dice sometimes.

[staylor26]

Funny how everybody talks about Houston and Berry, but what about guys like Clark and Mathieu? Yea they weren’t Chiefs before, but they’re still guys you gave a 2nd contract to. There’s no difference.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

“Big,” “calculated,” we’re arguing semantics at this point. The point is that you have to roll the dice sometimes.

Yes you do have to roll the dice and to decrease the chances of a bad contract you have to calculate the risks. You do that by taking these factors into account;

Age - is the player at the end of his prime?

Chris Jones is just now getting into his prime. This was the first year where he looked like an absolute stud and took games over. He's just gonna get better and you don't just get rid of that type of game changing ability

Injury history - Football is extremely physical and most players get hurt and miss games, but has the player missed multiple games every season and constantly has nagging injuries that keep him at less than 100% when he actually does play?

This was the first year CJ has had injury problems. He has been very healthy his whole career and isnt constantly on the injury report.

Loves the game - Does the player love to play football or is he just looking for his big pay day?

Chris Jones is very vocal about his love of the game and is constantly trying to get better.

Does the player want to be here? Does he love the city, fans, and most importantly loves his teammates?

This is another thing that Jones has been very vocal about. He loves everything about Kansas City and the Chiefs.

So if someonw wants to spew off about calculating the risk and how Chris Jones is a risky signing Id love to see their reasons why. This whole Berry and Houston got hurt bullshit isnt a reason. Give me a legit reason that signing him long term would br bad. Give me some of the negatives when calculating the risk. The money isnt a reason either because you can keep his cap bit low until the cap is crazy high.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Funny how everybody talks about Houston and Berry, but what about guys like Clark and Mathieu? Yea they weren’t Chiefs before, but they’re still guys you gave a 2nd contract to. There’s no difference.

People will say Clark and Mathiue can still get hurt. That douche bag wallcrawler was one of those idiots.