Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think a lot of folks are REALLY underestimating how well this offense is playing right now. And by 'this offense' I mean Patrick Mahomes.

They punted 3 times against TN. Once was because of the Kelce drop on 3rd down and it was the first drive of the game. The 2nd was the first drive out of the half and it was because of a Hill drop on 3rd down. The last was in garbage time when they were just trying bleed the clock.

In the Texans game they punted 4 times. 2 were because of drops by Kelce and Robinson, a 3rd in garbage time up 20. ONE came because of a rough drive and Mahomes trying to force a pass in to Tyreek Hill.

In 2 games there has been ONE drive that simply didn't work. In that span they had streak of 7 consecutive TD drives - 8 consecutive scoring drives (that's still unreal to even type) and a streak of 5 touchdowns in 6 drives.

49er fans - you haven't seen this. I know you keep trying to say "well we've faced [X] this year and they're a lot like the Chiefs because [Y]..."

No they aren't. Whatever mad-lib set of answers you have for why you think your defense has faced a test that even BORDERS on what this offense is doing can just be tossed out the window. Right now the only thing that slows this offense down is some sort of self-inflicted wound. If they execute, they're almost certainly going to score and it's almost certainly going to be 7.

The Chiefs offense is a machine of focus, commitment, sheer will. It will come for you and you will do nothing. Because you can do nothing.

It's all of this. And more, to be honest. Lots more.

Like Patrick Mahomes is the league's best passer on 3rd. Better on 3rd-and-long than he is at 3rd-and short.

That he's something like 10-1 vs. top-10 defenses this season. 27 TDs vs. 3 INTs against top-10 Ds.

120 passer rating against top-10 defenses.

That over the last 17 possessions, he's produced 13 TD drives. 14 scoring drives. That's over 75% scoring drives vs. possessions for those keeping score.

And so on. Those numbers right there, and trust me there are more ridiculous ones than those, are just ridiculous. I don't know if those numbers can be reproduced on Madden the video game.

Every time they show one of these stats somewhere, I have to check them several times just to make sure they aren't typos. And they never are.

There's a saying in football, if you've ever played you've probably heard this: if you're even, you're leavin'. If the Niners get the lead, but let Pat come back and tie it up or take the lead, it's over. He will flat leave you in the dust. And it will happen in a couple minutes, if not faster.

Your one hope is that your DC can keep Mahomes off-balance for the first 3 quarters of the game. Because if he and Andy figure out what he's doing, with a half to play, it's off to the races, and Jimmy might be a decent QB, but he won't be able to keep up.

[burt]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Dammit, you're gay? Now I really have to hate you.

Shit, this monthisn't good for me. Can I hate you in March? Like around the 19th?

mmm kay......

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by staylor26

One thing to think about guys, I know that 49ers front 4 is scary, but it’s not something we haven’t deal with before.

I know it fell apart, but you guys have to remember we played a Jags defense week 1 that had Ngakoue, Campbell, and Allen up front with Ramsey and Bouye in coverage.

While the 49ers front 4 is deeper and better, there’s no question that Ramsey and Bouye are worlds better than and old Richard Sherman and nobody else.

The 49ers have better safeties, but nothing scary by any means. They also both run a similar scheme.

I also think it helps going up against Bosa and Ingram twice a year. Again, not as good of a front 4, but a much tougher matchup in the secondary.

Our OL is definitely better than it was week 1. As long as they don’t shit the bed, they along with Mahomes/Reid should be able to weather the storm.

Jaguars succeeded in injuring a bunch of KC offensive players very early in that game. Hopefully avoid the same situation with Niners.

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang

- Jimmy G and Game Management: Key games to counter this would be Steelers, coming back from a five turn over deficit and going toe-to-toe with Drew Brees and the Saints. Many point to his turn overs on the stat line but a lot of those were due to deflections from our WRs (drops seem to have gone down since benching Pettis and adding Sanders). I get why people think he is a game manager as that is what most games show, but that is all that is being asked of him, not what he is capable of. As the year went on the playbook opened up and Jimmy progressed significantly. After the Baltimore game (with the exception of the Saints) it seems like Shanahan had a focus on ball control in the latter quarter of the year. Why throw if you cant stop the run? Why open the playbook in the playoffs if the game doesn't dictate it? I think this game will require Jimmy to throw and prove one of our points (my guess is this is your defensive plan and they will be ready).

- PM, I stated he was most like Wilson. But was only pointing out we have experience in dual threat qb's which both PM and Lamar fall under that category.

- No sense in speculating on what match-ups would have been with the 'ifs'. Obviously different, but our divisional games against Seattle are always battles. Pete Caroll's head is being called for, no argument there. I actually now live outside of Seattle so I am surrounded by the noise (yes, another place with homeless people who sh*t on the floor but not at quite the volume as SF)

- Andy Reid is a solid coach, mainly because he came from a Niner pedigree , but with 25 years he has a lot on tape that can be studied and game planned against.


- If you have a weakness at LB that is going to be trouble for you. Mossert went wild because of what he did in the second and third levels. The zone blocking that the Niners use will be studied for the next few years in the NFL as people try to figure out the best recipe to deny it regularly.

It’s my understanding that zone blocking came from daddy, so nothing new about that Andy will have it figured out no sweat

[Clyde Frog]

Originally Posted by Hern

How many post are required to white knight and to give life advice?

There isn't a requirement as much as if you had been here for any amount of time you would know how it is in here. This isn't the lib-tard city I, and probably you, live in. You can't just come in here and change things to make yourself comfortable. If you're actually here to talk football and have intelligent convo then you'll be more than welcome. If you're in here to troll and pussify this place then all the luck in the world isn't enough to help you.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by R Clark

It’s my understanding that zone blocking came from daddy, so nothing new about that Andy will have it figured out no sweat

It's basically the line all going one direction then holding for cutback lanes. Do the 49ers also roll up on people's ankles?

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by O.city

That's what I just kinda laugh at and frankly, don't give a shit about anymore. Why anyone listens to the SKip Bayless's of the world with all the podcasts and things out there is beyond me.

Anyone that said Derek Henry was more important than Patrick Mahomes before the game, is a ratings shock jock or an idiot. Both should be ignored.

This! It was nothing but JJ ****ing Watt before the Texans game, then how big and bad and physical the Titans were upfront. Once we beat them- they are now lousy defenses.

Wait until we steamroll the 49ers- they will be bums.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Deebo19

I think a big difference is with our linebackers. Warner, Kwon, and Greenlaw are all excellent pass defenders.

Alexander is...fine. He's not the player he was in his first few years with TB, but a good ballplayer nonetheless. He's also coming off a torn pectoral. If you think he's gonna be able to match up with Kelce, I have some extremely bad news for you. I mean, besides the inevitable pitch count he'll be on, Kelce will abuse his ass. Try to imagine hanging on the hip of a the best route-running TE in the game while you don't have full use of one of your arms. If nothing else, it's going to impact your balance.

Greenlaw....c'mon. Yes, a 5th round rookie is going to be what stymies the best passing offense in football. Let's be serious here about what Greenlaw is and what he isn't. He IS a hell of a get, a fantastic value and a clear win for Lynch and his scouting staff (just as Warner is). He is NOT a guy who's going to be a difference-maker against this passing attack.

As for Warner - yeah, I like him. Already said he's the wrinkle in the 2nd level that could make things a little different than they were against Houston and TN. But y'know, Cunningham, Evans and Brown haven't exactly been hot garbage in their own right. Those guys can play a little bit as well and Kelce didn't exactly struggle with any of them. And when extra attention was given to Hill (or Kelce) to take a LB off the field, Watkins wasn't having a hard time finding room underneath to keep the sticks moving.

Your backers are...there. They aren't obvious liabilities and in some ways they do complement the DL nicely. But they aren't Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher out there shutting down sections of the field. They can (will) be got.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hern

If we win, am I still allowed back or will I get banned?

Not gonna win, so it's a moot point.

[burt]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Sorry, we made you sad. Make sure to use your pooper ap so you don't step in any shit on your way back to the gay bathhouse.

Wait....shouldn't I be offended?

[Beef Supreme]

yeah guize, nobody has ever seen zone blocking before! They will be studying this brand new concept for years to come!!

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Deebo19

We've seen Lamar, and we've seen Wilson. So while we haven't seen Mahomes other than in the preseason, we've seen more of your style than you've seen of ours.

The Chiefs haven't seen our running attack. Which I may add has only started rounding into shape because key players were missing all season. They're only now back in the lineup and getting their legs under them. No Tennessee and their basic hand it off to Henry and let him go doesnt count.

You haven't seen our scheme, motion, deception.

You also haven't seen our physicality. The West is no joke.

Both teams will be able to move the ball and score - It's going to depend on turnovers and who can score TD's instead of FG's. It'll be a battle of the 49er systematic machine vs the offensive speed and improvisational Chiefs.

Oh hey, it's another week of "You haven't seen our physicality!"

Go tell it to the Titans. Or the Ravens.

We smacked 'em both in the mouth.

And please don't ever mention the best quarterback in football in the same breath as the best throwing runningback in football ever again, m'kay? Lamar Jackson prepares you for facing this offense about as much as I would.

[burt]

Originally Posted by Hern

How many post are required to white knight and to give life advice?

1503....and there is no capital to my name.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Beef Supreme

yeah guize, nobody has ever seen zone blocking before! They will be studying this brand new concept for years to come!!

But have you seen how physical they are?

They really should've told us we'd have to play a team from the NFC when they changed the rules to make the AFC playoffs a flag football format.

Frank Clark's gonna be pissed when he finds out the Super Bowl isn't two-hand touch.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang

My bad for the late response, actually had to do some work and eat, F*ing bosses don't respect the SB as much as they should.

Yes, passing downs mainly. But this was in response to him lining up over tackle.

Bosa: Villenueva, Bhakatari, Bulaga, Armstead

You're fine. It's a lighter day than normal here.

Bosa had a grand total of 2 sacks and 4 TFL in the four games he played against those three teams/four tackles. I wouldn't really call that making fools of them. Schwartz and Fisher compare with any of them (And I'd take Schwartz at RT over anyone in the NFL).

If the 49ers come out and try to use Dee Ford inside on regular downs, or even if they come out and just try to use him on early downs, I expect KC to run right at him and exploit his one-dimensional nature. Will be interesting. Look for 21 personnel if KC is seeing Ford, with Blake Bell assigned to deal with Ford and free up Fisher/Schwartz to get to the second level.

^ 21 also seems to be KC's favored grouping for screen game action. They'll use Kelce or Bell as well as Williams in the screen game, and will run action to both sides of the field.

Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang

- Jimmy G and Game Management: Key games to counter this would be Steelers, coming back from a five turn over deficit and going toe-to-toe with Drew Brees and the Saints. Many point to his turn overs on the stat line but a lot of those were due to deflections from our WRs (drops seem to have gone down since benching Pettis and adding Sanders). I get why people think he is a game manager as that is what most games show, but that is all that is being asked of him, not what he is capable of. As the year went on the playbook opened up and Jimmy progressed significantly. After the Baltimore game (with the exception of the Saints) it seems like Shanahan had a focus on ball control in the latter quarter of the year. Why throw if you cant stop the run? Why open the playbook in the playoffs if the game doesn't dictate it? I think this game will require Jimmy to throw and prove one of our points (my guess is this is your defensive plan and they will be ready).

- PM, I stated he was most like Wilson. But was only pointing out we have experience in dual threat qb's which both PM and Lamar fall under that category.

- No sense in speculating on what match-ups would have been with the 'ifs'. Obviously different, but our divisional games against Seattle are always battles. Pete Caroll's head is being called for, no argument there. I actually now live outside of Seattle so I am surrounded by the noise (yes, another place with homeless people who sh*t on the floor but not at quite the volume as SF)

- Andy Reid is a solid coach, mainly because he came from a Niner pedigree , but with 25 years he has a lot on tape that can be studied and game planned against.


- If you have a weakness at LB that is going to be trouble for you. Mossert went wild because of what he did in the second and third levels. The zone blocking that the Niners use will be studied for the next few years in the NFL as people try to figure out the best recipe to deny it regularly.

The game against the Saints is definitely the biggest counter to the "just a game manager" tag for Garoppolo. It's the one that really stands out.

But like I was saying, we've got 40 years of history watching game managers and seeing them occasionally have that one shining moment. All those things you just said in his defense? They're things Chiefs fans have been saying prior to Mahomes about every guy except Montana and Green.

Thus, they ring hollow/false. I know the 49ers played that Baltimore game in bad passing conditions, but they win that game with a few more plays in the passing game from Garoppolo.

The other game you cited was a home win against a non-playoff team quarterbacked by Mason Rudolph, in which Garoppolo never trailed by more than one score, threw for a pedestrian yardage total, and threw two picks that led to 6 points for the opposing team.

You understand why that doesn't make the case for being more than a guy who leans on his D and run game, right?