Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

They just spent two weeks talking about the return of JJ Watt and how the Titans have a really good defense and Vrabel is a genius.

Of course the narrative changes after the fact.

That's what I just kinda laugh at and frankly, don't give a shit about anymore. Why anyone listens to the SKip Bayless's of the world with all the podcasts and things out there is beyond me.

Anyone that said Derek Henry was more important than Patrick Mahomes before the game, is a ratings shock jock or an idiot. Both should be ignored.

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think a lot of folks are REALLY underestimating how well this offense is playing right now. And by 'this offense' I mean Patrick Mahomes.

They punted 3 times against TN. Once was because of the Kelce drop on 3rd down and it was the first drive of the game. The 2nd was the first drive out of the half and it was because of a Hill drop on 3rd down. The last was in garbage time when they were just trying bleed the clock.

In the Texans game they punted 4 times. 2 were because of drops by Kelce and Robinson, a 3rd in garbage time up 20. ONE came because of a rough drive and Mahomes trying to force a pass in to Tyreek Hill.

In 2 games there has been ONE drive that simply didn't work. In that span they had streak of 7 consecutive TD drives - 8 consecutive scoring drives (that's still unreal to even type) and a streak of 5 touchdowns in 6 drives.

49er fans - you haven't seen this. I know you keep trying to say "well we've faced [X] this year and they're a lot like the Chiefs because [Y]..."

No they aren't. Whatever mad-lib set of answers you have for why you think your defense has faced a test that even BORDERS on what this offense is doing can just be tossed out the window. Right now the only thing that slows this offense down is some sort of self-inflicted wound. If they execute, they're almost certainly going to score and it's almost certainly going to be 7.

The Chiefs offense is a machine of focus, commitment, sheer will. It will come for you and you will do nothing. Because you can do nothing.

Damn I hope you know what your talking about , I feel a hell of a lot more confident after reading it!

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by burt

For all you know, I may be gay.... I WILL not lower myself to homophobic humor, OR racist anything. I do admit to having gay and/or mixedish peeps in my family. But this being CP, I guess I will just continue to sadden you. I know these folks would accept my gay and mixedish family without hesitation. And me if I am gay.....

Dammit, you're gay? Now I really have to hate you.

Shit, this monthisn't good for me. Can I hate you in March? Like around the 19th?

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The only thing at all that scares me is the time off.

You hate seeing a break when things are humming like this because it's the only shot the 49ers have to knock the Chiefs offense out of rhythm.

If the break doesn't build up rust, they'll score as many as they need to. The 49ers have a great front but the Chiefs OL, when healthy, can pass protect with the best of them. ESPECIALLY now that Mahomes has re-built his trust in them and isn't bailing out of pockets anymore. He's feel for pressure right now borders on supernatural.

My only concern is the built-in bye. If the Chiefs handle this time off correctly, they'll be in great shape.

If CJ were totally healthy, I agree with you BUT this 2 weeks off only helps Jones and those who have been ill. And let's not forget our opposition who I feel the rust build up will be greater for them especially on offense.

[BangbangNinerGang]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

In base sets? Or passing downs? Last time I checked, Ford was playing primarily passing downs, about 1/3 of snaps.

Which Pro Bowl tackles would you say Bosa has made fools of? Brian Bulaga? The guy in Carolina who gave up 1/3 of Bosa's sacks in the regular season is JAG.

KC's interior line isn't physical in the run game. It's pretty strong in pass protection, unless lined up against Aaron Donald.

If the 49ers try to run a 4-man front with Dee Ford lined up on the inside, KC is going to run right at him. A lot. And really like it's chances of success in those situations.

My bad for the late response, actually had to do some work and eat, F*ing bosses don't respect the SB as much as they should.

Yes, passing downs mainly. But this was in response to him lining up over tackle.

Bosa: Villenueva, Bhakatari, Bulaga, Armstead

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

I've seen some people poo pooing his playoffs thus far because he's gone up against "lousy" defenses.

Yeah, **** that noise. It's the playoffs. If teams are that lousy in the playoffs, well, it's not the playoffs.

Those teams looked shitty because the offense is just that good. It's the 2013 Denver offense with Brett Favre at QB instead of a statue.

The only difference between the lousy Texans/Titans defenses and the 49ers is the respective front 4s.

That 49ers secondary is no better equipped to deal with Mahomes than either of those units.

And as has been noted already, Mitchell Schwartz is like a designated superstar DE destroyer. His existence on this earth seems to be to do nothing but shut down All-Pro defensive ends. So yeah, I'm fine saying the Schwartz will effectively shut down 1/2 of that set of bookend DEs.

So now the only real concerns are 1) Can Fisher hold up his end of the bargain? And 2) Can the IOL do enough to slow down Buckner and then the inevitable Bosa/Armstead reps when they get kicked inside on passing downs and/or utilize twists/stunts to get themselves isolated on the interior linemen?

Wiz is so much better at identifying those things than Wylie was that I'm more comfortable w/ the loops and delayed blitzes. LDT and Reiter have also been pretty adequate in pass-pro of late. Not so bad that I think they'll set about torpedoing entire halves of play like they did at previous points of the season.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Hern

It saddens me that you wouldn’t let it fly IRL but are more than ok participating here. Believe it or not, there is some gay posters in your forum and I bet they don’t appreciate it.

But since it’s “locker room talk” y’all get the green light to be homophobic and racist (nothing racist was said, just using it as an example of were is the line drawn).

Sorry, we made you sad. Make sure to use your pooper ap so you don't step in any shit on your way back to the gay bathhouse.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The only difference between the lousy Texans/Titans defenses and the 49ers is the respective front 4s.

That 49ers secondary is no better equipped to deal with Mahomes than either of those units.

And as has been noted already, Mitchell Schwartz is like a designated superstar DE destroyer. His existence on this earth seems to be to do nothing but shut down All-Pro defensive ends. So yeah, I'm fine saying the Schwartz will effectively shut down 1/2 of that set of bookend DEs.

So now the only real concerns are 1) Can Fisher hold up his end of the bargain? And 2) Can the IOL do enough to slow down Buckner and then the inevitable Bosa/Armstead reps when they get kicked inside on passing downs and/or utilize twists/stunts to get themselves isolated on the interior linemen?

Wiz is so much better at identifying those things than Wylie was that I'm more comfortable w/ the loops and delayed blitzes. LDT and Reiter have also been pretty adequate in pass-pro of late. Not so bad that I think they'll set about torpedoing entire halves of play like they did at previous points of the season.

There has been such a noticeable difference with Wis in there that i'm fully on board with a first round LG now. It's just been night and day.

The 9er DL is really good for sure. It's scary. But it's not the 85 Bears.

It's a really good matchup. We have the boogeyman under center, so.....yeah,.....I'll take my chances.

[Deebo19]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The only difference between the lousy Texans/Titans defenses and the 49ers is the respective front 4s.

That 49ers secondary is no better equipped to deal with Mahomes than either of those units.

And as has been noted already, Mitchell Schwartz is like a designated superstar DE destroyer. His existence on this earth seems to be to do nothing but shut down All-Pro defensive ends. So yeah, I'm fine saying the Schwartz will effectively shut down 1/2 of that set of bookend DEs.

So now the only real concerns are 1) Can Fisher hold up his end of the bargain? And 2) Can the IOL do enough to slow down Buckner and then the inevitable Bosa/Armstead reps when they get kicked inside on passing downs and/or utilize twists/stunts to get themselves isolated on the interior linemen?

Wiz is so much better at identifying those things than Wylie was that I'm more comfortable w/ the loops and delayed blitzes. LDT and Reiter have also been pretty adequate in pass-pro of late. Not so bad that I think they'll set about torpedoing entire halves of play like they did at previous points of the season.

I think a big difference is with our linebackers. Warner, Kwon, and Greenlaw are all excellent pass defenders.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

If CJ were totally healthy, I agree with you BUT this 2 weeks off only helps Jones and those who have been ill. And let's not forget our opposition who I feel the rust build up will be greater for them especially on offense.

And why is that? The Niners ran the ball over 80% of the time after Jimmy threw an early INT against the Vikings. I would not think this type of offense is subject to getting rusty. We saw rust in the KC offense with all the dropped passes against Houston.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

There has been such a noticeable difference with Wis in there that i'm fully on board with a first round LG now. It's just been night and day.

The 9er DL is really good for sure. It's scary. But it's not the 85 Bears.

It's a really good matchup. We have the boogeyman under center, so.....yeah,.....I'll take my chances.

He's not exactly the boogeyman...

[staylor26]

One thing to think about guys, I know that 49ers front 4 is scary, but it’s not something we haven’t deal with before.

I know it fell apart, but you guys have to remember we played a Jags defense week 1 that had Ngakoue, Campbell, and Allen up front with Ramsey and Bouye in coverage.

While the 49ers front 4 is deeper and better, there’s no question that Ramsey and Bouye are worlds better than and old Richard Sherman and nobody else.

The 49ers have better safeties, but nothing scary by any means. They also both run a similar scheme.

I also think it helps going up against Bosa and Ingram twice a year. Again, not as good of a front 4, but a much tougher matchup in the secondary to go with it.

Our OL is definitely better than it was week 1. As long as they don’t shit the bed, they along with Mahomes/Reid should be able to weather the storm.

[Hern]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Sorry, we made you sad. Make sure to use your pooper ap so you don't step in any shit on your way back to the gay bathhouse.

It’s ok. I’m better now. Thank you for your concern. As far as Burp, I’m glad this is s as learning experience for you.

[Hern]

Originally Posted by Clyde Frog

No need to white knight and give life lessons, new guy. There are gay posters in here who are open about their sexuality, prominent and well respected. We make fun of everything and everyone in here. It's the way it is. You want to be in your safe zone you can go back to your 49ers feelings forums.

How many post are required to white knight and to give life advice?

[Deebo19]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think a lot of folks are REALLY underestimating how well this offense is playing right now. And by 'this offense' I mean Patrick Mahomes.

They punted 3 times against TN. Once was because of the Kelce drop on 3rd down and it was the first drive of the game. The 2nd was the first drive out of the half and it was because of a Hill drop on 3rd down. The last was in garbage time when they were just trying bleed the clock.

In the Texans game they punted 4 times. 2 were because of drops by Kelce and Robinson, a 3rd in garbage time up 20. ONE came because of a rough drive and Mahomes trying to force a pass in to Tyreek Hill.

In 2 games there has been ONE drive that simply didn't work. In that span they had streak of 7 consecutive TD drives - 8 consecutive scoring drives (that's still unreal to even type) and a streak of 5 touchdowns in 6 drives.

49er fans - you haven't seen this. I know you keep trying to say "well we've faced [X] this year and they're a lot like the Chiefs because [Y]..."

No they aren't. Whatever mad-lib set of answers you have for why you think your defense has faced a test that even BORDERS on what this offense is doing can just be tossed out the window. Right now the only thing that slows this offense down is some sort of self-inflicted wound. If they execute, they're almost certainly going to score and it's almost certainly going to be 7.

The Chiefs offense is a machine of focus, commitment, sheer will. It will come for you and you will do nothing. Because you can do nothing.

We've seen Lamar, and we've seen Wilson. So while we haven't seen Mahomes other than in the preseason, we've seen more of your style than you've seen of ours.

The Chiefs haven't seen our running attack. Which I may add has only started rounding into shape because key players were missing all season. They're only now back in the lineup and getting their legs under them. No Tennessee and their basic hand it off to Henry and let him go doesnt count.

You haven't seen our scheme, motion, deception.

You also haven't seen our physicality. The West is no joke.

Both teams will be able to move the ball and score - It's going to depend on turnovers and who can score TD's instead of FG's. It'll be a battle of the 49er systematic machine vs the offensive speed and improvisational Chiefs.