Fangio: "Drew Lock is a hard-throwing pitcher who doesn't know how to pitch yet."

[RealSNR]

I mean, he's not wrong. I kind of like how brutally honest he is.

Just a friendly reminder for draft media pundits to stop with the notion that any of these Drew Lock/Josh Allen/Chad Kelly hard-throwing morons are Patrick Mahomes. A: Patrick Mahomes STILL has a superior arm over all of them, and B: You need way more than just a hard-throwing arm in order to be Patrick Mahomes. Waaaaaaay more.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...uarterback-yet

When Drew Lock fell out of the first round and into the Denver Broncos' lap at No. 42 in the 2019 NFL Draft, the quarterback was deemed a steal. A first-round arm talent and potential starter on a second-round rookie contract? Sign us up, the Broncos probably screamed in their draft room.

But just two days into training camp practice, Broncos coach Vic Fangio threw cold water on the notion that Lock was ready to play in a professional football game, much less take Joe Flacco's starting job in Denver.

Lock's lively but wild arm, Fangio told reporters Friday, needs to be tempered.

"I think a quarterback that can change his arm angles is a position when it's needed. You don't want to do it when you don't have to do it. Obviously if someone's in my face and I have to do it, that's good to have that talent," Fangio explained. "But if I'm strong in the pocket and there's nothing, I want to throw over the top, nice and strong. I don't want to rely on side-arms. It's good that he can do that, but he needs to use that when he needs to and not when he doesn't need to. His college offense really had no carryover to pro offenses. He was under duress a lot in college, so a lot of his plays he was running around.

"I don't think he's far along as far as being as NFL-ready a quarterback as he could've been. That's what I mean when I say he's got to get ready. He's not a quarterback yet -- he's a hard-throwing pitcher that doesn't know how to pitch yet. The faster he gets that, the better off he'll be and we'll be."

Like a 21st-century gridiron version of Ricky Vaughn, Lock has arm velocity and strength, but doesn't yet boast the touch and accuracy of a professional gunslinger. This was the rub on Lock coming out of Missouri, though that didn't keep the Broncos reportedly considering Lock the top quarterback on their board.

Perhaps Denver felt confident taking a chance on the boom-or-bust Lock because it had traded for the veteran Flacco, a safe and steady Super Bowl-winning signal-caller who can mentor (or not mentor) Lock through his rookie season.

If Fangio's honest commentary on Friday means anything, though, the Broncos are not going to be as gung-ho about pushing Lock into a starting position.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

If Lock busts out that pretty much seals Elways fate as GM right?

Over a 2nd round QB? No. There will be a lot of other reasons his fate will be sealed.

Lock really didn't get grest coaching while at Columbia becsuse it says a lot when his best tutor was Derek ****ing Dooley.

He could turn out good with patience and a good Offensive staff. Only issues are there isn't enough natural talent to put in all that effort if I am in the Broncos spot, and that Offensive staff is well....offensive.

I was probably the most critical ones in the MU threads because I just don't think I really ever saw anything truly special, but just can't dismiss the horrible situation he came into.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Over a 2nd round QB? No. There will be a lot of other reasons his fate will be sealed.

Lock really didn't get grest coaching while at Columbia becsuse it says a lot when his best tutor was Derek ****ing Dooley.

He could turn out good with patience and a good Offensive staff. Only issues are there isn't enough natural talent to put in all that effort if I am in the Broncos spot, and that Offensive staff is well....offensive.

I was probably the most critical ones in the MU threads because I just don't think I really ever saw anything truly special, but just can't dismiss the horrible situation he came into.

To be fair since Manning how many QBs has he failed on? With that said props to him trying to find a QB where as Pioli used Cassel as his hill to die on. It will be an unpopular opinion on here but I was impressed with Denver's defense I think it will be very good and Risner did a hell of a job.

[GloryDayz]

The river keeps flowing.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

To be fair since Manning how many QBs has he failed on? With that said props to him trying to find a QB where as Pioli used Cassel as his hill to die on. It will be an unpopular opinion on here but I was impressed with Denver's defense I think it will be very good and Risner did a hell of a job.

That's a really stupid way of looking at things. He's bungled practically every QB decision he could possibly make in his time as GM or whatever stupid ****ing Mayor McCheese title he gave himself that's not just "general manager"

1. Drafted Lynch. Nuff said on that one.

2. Took what was a good move at the time in turning a 7th round pick into a pretty good backup QB in Semen... but then farted that away when he started depending on him as a weekly starter. And when that ended up not being good enough, he threw the baby out with the bathwater and traded the best QB to play for him post-Manning, when that guy was a very valuable backup QB with lots of starting experience

3. When he decided THAT backup QB wasn't good enough he paid out the ass for another team's backup QB-- Case Keenum. Boy, the huddles never looked so good!

4. Let's go back to Lynch. In doing so, he put too much faith in that loser such that he stood pat in the following years of QBs. For what reason? I don't really know. He never gave that guy a chance to start a game, so I don't know why he couldn't see it coming much earlier. If he actually knew shit about QBs, he would have been more aggressive in drafting other guys in 2017 and 2018. But hey... Swag Kelly in the 7th round!

5. To further elaborate on #4, when he needs to draft, he trades/signs a veteran. When he needs to let things simmer, he aggressively cycles in and out of QBs worse than the noman's land years of the Cleveland Browns. And when opportunities to take ACTUALLY good QBs come his way, he all of a sudden turns into a cheapass, almost like he thinks he's smarter than everybody else. And yet he'll spend $18 million per year on Case ****ing Keenum.

6. Oh, by the way... in 2017 given the choices of Semen, Lynch, Swag, and Kyle Sloter, he let Sloter walk, who has since become the primary backup in Minnesota. Swag is a 3rd stringer for the Lions, Semen is... don't know where he is, and LYNCH IS OUT OF THE LEAGUE. He let the wrong guy walk and the two guys who were his "future" ended up being worse than that guy.

I can go on, dude. There's more to elaborate on. I haven't even gotten to Flacco and Lock yet. I haven't covered Assweiler yet.

John Elway doesn't know ****ing QBs at all. He's not just 0-1 in drafting franchise guys. He hasn't made one good goddamn decision when it comes to scouting QBs in his ENTIRE STINT as Mayor McCheese of Denver. No, Manning doesn't count--- ****ing Herm could have said that would be a good idea to pursue him.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

That's a really stupid way of looking at things. He's bungled practically every QB decision he could possibly make in his time as GM or whatever stupid ****ing Mayor McCheese title he gave himself that's not just "general manager"

1. Drafted Lynch. Nuff said on that one.

2. Took what was a good move at the time in turning a 7th round pick into a pretty good backup QB in Semen... but then farted that away when he started depending on him as a weekly starter. And when that ended up not being good enough, he threw the baby out with the bathwater and traded the best QB to play for him post-Manning, when that guy was a very valuable backup QB with lots of starting experience

3. When he decided THAT backup QB wasn't good enough he paid out the ass for another team's backup QB-- Case Keenum. Boy, the huddles never looked so good!

4. Let's go back to Lynch. In doing so, he put too much faith in that loser such that he stood pat in the following years of QBs. For what reason? I don't really know. He never gave that guy a chance to start a game, so I don't know why he couldn't see it coming much earlier. If he actually knew shit about QBs, he would have been more aggressive in drafting other guys in 2017 and 2018. But hey... Swag Kelly in the 7th round!

5. To further elaborate on #4, when he needs to draft, he trades/signs a veteran. When he needs to let things simmer, he aggressively cycles in and out of QBs worse than the noman's land years of the Cleveland Browns. And when opportunities to take ACTUALLY good QBs come his way, he all of a sudden turns into a cheapass, almost like he thinks he's smarter than everybody else. And yet he'll spend $18 million per year on Case ****ing Keenum.

6. Oh, by the way... in 2017 given the choices of Semen, Lynch, Swag, and Kyle Sloter, he let Sloter walk, who has since become the primary backup in Minnesota. Swag is a 3rd stringer for the Lions, Semen is... don't know where he is, and LYNCH IS OUT OF THE LEAGUE. He let the wrong guy walk and the two guys who were his "future" ended up being worse than that guy.

I can go on, dude. There's more to elaborate on. I haven't even gotten to Flacco and Lock yet. I haven't covered Assweiler yet.

John Elway doesn't know ****ing QBs at all. He's not just 0-1 in drafting franchise guys. He hasn't made one good goddamn decision when it comes to scouting QBs in his ENTIRE STINT as Mayor McCheese of Denver. No, Manning doesn't count--- ****ing Herm could have said that would be a good idea to pursue him.

Old horse face should be giving Manning blowjob's every single day that he remains GM. If Manning would have chosen any other team, then Elway would have been fired already. He would have been ran out of time, but he absolutely lucked into a few great years from Broke Neck.

[PunkinDrublic]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

That's a really stupid way of looking at things. He's bungled practically every QB decision he could possibly make in his time as GM or whatever stupid ****ing Mayor McCheese title he gave himself that's not just "general manager"

1. Drafted Lynch. Nuff said on that one.

2. Took what was a good move at the time in turning a 7th round pick into a pretty good backup QB in Semen... but then farted that away when he started depending on him as a weekly starter. And when that ended up not being good enough, he threw the baby out with the bathwater and traded the best QB to play for him post-Manning, when that guy was a very valuable backup QB with lots of starting experience

3. When he decided THAT backup QB wasn't good enough he paid out the ass for another team's backup QB-- Case Keenum. Boy, the huddles never looked so good!

4. Let's go back to Lynch. In doing so, he put too much faith in that loser such that he stood pat in the following years of QBs. For what reason? I don't really know. He never gave that guy a chance to start a game, so I don't know why he couldn't see it coming much earlier. If he actually knew shit about QBs, he would have been more aggressive in drafting other guys in 2017 and 2018. But hey... Swag Kelly in the 7th round!

5. To further elaborate on #4, when he needs to draft, he trades/signs a veteran. When he needs to let things simmer, he aggressively cycles in and out of QBs worse than the noman's land years of the Cleveland Browns. And when opportunities to take ACTUALLY good QBs come his way, he all of a sudden turns into a cheapass, almost like he thinks he's smarter than everybody else. And yet he'll spend $18 million per year on Case ****ing Keenum.

6. Oh, by the way... in 2017 given the choices of Semen, Lynch, Swag, and Kyle Sloter, he let Sloter walk, who has since become the primary backup in Minnesota. Swag is a 3rd stringer for the Lions, Semen is... don't know where he is, and LYNCH IS OUT OF THE LEAGUE. He let the wrong guy walk and the two guys who were his "future" ended up being worse than that guy.

I can go on, dude. There's more to elaborate on. I haven't even gotten to Flacco and Lock yet. I haven't covered Assweiler yet.

John Elway doesn't know ****ing QBs at all. He's not just 0-1 in drafting franchise guys. He hasn't made one good goddamn decision when it comes to scouting QBs in his ENTIRE STINT as Mayor McCheese of Denver. No, Manning doesn't count--- ****ing Herm could have said that would be a good idea to pursue him.

Doesn’t he also get credit for choosing Brock Osweiler to be Peyton Manning’s replacement upon retirement?

[neech]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

That's a really stupid way of looking at things. He's bungled practically every QB decision he could possibly make in his time as GM or whatever stupid ****ing Mayor McCheese title he gave himself that's not just "general manager"

1. Drafted Lynch. Nuff said on that one.

2. Took what was a good move at the time in turning a 7th round pick into a pretty good backup QB in Semen... but then farted that away when he started depending on him as a weekly starter. And when that ended up not being good enough, he threw the baby out with the bathwater and traded the best QB to play for him post-Manning, when that guy was a very valuable backup QB with lots of starting experience

3. When he decided THAT backup QB wasn't good enough he paid out the ass for another team's backup QB-- Case Keenum. Boy, the huddles never looked so good!

4. Let's go back to Lynch. In doing so, he put too much faith in that loser such that he stood pat in the following years of QBs. For what reason? I don't really know. He never gave that guy a chance to start a game, so I don't know why he couldn't see it coming much earlier. If he actually knew shit about QBs, he would have been more aggressive in drafting other guys in 2017 and 2018. But hey... Swag Kelly in the 7th round!

5. To further elaborate on #4, when he needs to draft, he trades/signs a veteran. When he needs to let things simmer, he aggressively cycles in and out of QBs worse than the noman's land years of the Cleveland Browns. And when opportunities to take ACTUALLY good QBs come his way, he all of a sudden turns into a cheapass, almost like he thinks he's smarter than everybody else. And yet he'll spend $18 million per year on Case ****ing Keenum.

6. Oh, by the way... in 2017 given the choices of Semen, Lynch, Swag, and Kyle Sloter, he let Sloter walk, who has since become the primary backup in Minnesota. Swag is a 3rd stringer for the Lions, Semen is... don't know where he is, and LYNCH IS OUT OF THE LEAGUE. He let the wrong guy walk and the two guys who were his "future" ended up being worse than that guy.

I can go on, dude. There's more to elaborate on. I haven't even gotten to Flacco and Lock yet. I haven't covered Assweiler yet.

John Elway doesn't know ****ing QBs at all. He's not just 0-1 in drafting franchise guys. He hasn't made one good goddamn decision when it comes to scouting QBs in his ENTIRE STINT as Mayor McCheese of Denver. No, Manning doesn't count--- ****ing Herm could have said that would be a good idea to pursue him.

I can feel the hatred my son.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

That's a really stupid way of looking at things. He's bungled practically every QB decision he could possibly make in his time as GM or whatever stupid ****ing Mayor McCheese title he gave himself that's not just "general manager"

1. Drafted Lynch. Nuff said on that one.

2. Took what was a good move at the time in turning a 7th round pick into a pretty good backup QB in Semen... but then farted that away when he started depending on him as a weekly starter. And when that ended up not being good enough, he threw the baby out with the bathwater and traded the best QB to play for him post-Manning, when that guy was a very valuable backup QB with lots of starting experience

3. When he decided THAT backup QB wasn't good enough he paid out the ass for another team's backup QB-- Case Keenum. Boy, the huddles never looked so good!

4. Let's go back to Lynch. In doing so, he put too much faith in that loser such that he stood pat in the following years of QBs. For what reason? I don't really know. He never gave that guy a chance to start a game, so I don't know why he couldn't see it coming much earlier. If he actually knew shit about QBs, he would have been more aggressive in drafting other guys in 2017 and 2018. But hey... Swag Kelly in the 7th round!

5. To further elaborate on #4, when he needs to draft, he trades/signs a veteran. When he needs to let things simmer, he aggressively cycles in and out of QBs worse than the noman's land years of the Cleveland Browns. And when opportunities to take ACTUALLY good QBs come his way, he all of a sudden turns into a cheapass, almost like he thinks he's smarter than everybody else. And yet he'll spend $18 million per year on Case ****ing Keenum.

6. Oh, by the way... in 2017 given the choices of Semen, Lynch, Swag, and Kyle Sloter, he let Sloter walk, who has since become the primary backup in Minnesota. Swag is a 3rd stringer for the Lions, Semen is... don't know where he is, and LYNCH IS OUT OF THE LEAGUE. He let the wrong guy walk and the two guys who were his "future" ended up being worse than that guy.

I can go on, dude. There's more to elaborate on. I haven't even gotten to Flacco and Lock yet. I haven't covered Assweiler yet.

John Elway doesn't know ****ing QBs at all. He's not just 0-1 in drafting franchise guys. He hasn't made one good goddamn decision when it comes to scouting QBs in his ENTIRE STINT as Mayor McCheese of Denver. No, Manning doesn't count--- ****ing Herm could have said that would be a good idea to pursue him.

Osweiler wasn't a good draft pick either. I guess Elway had at least the good sense not to give him the contract Houston did.

[Coochie liquor]

Dungver - “this will be the qb that makes up for all of Elways bad decisions”

Faders - “this will be the year we finish with a record above .500”

Sharters - “this will be the season we don’t get hit with tons of injuries and Phyllis doesn’t choke”

Chiefs - “this will be the year we draft a first round qb, check. This will be the year we win a home playoff game, check. This will be the year we win the Super Bowl...”

[PunkinDrublic]

I may be in the minority but I’d rather rely on a steady veteran QB to hold down the fort until drafting a QB that fits into the offense. Elway is flailing away with Denver’s QB choices. Every time you bring in a QB who can’t hack it you have to start all over again, coaches lose jobs, and players may or may not fit into a new scheme.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

Osweiler wasn't a good draft pick either. I guess Elway had at least the good sense not to give him the contract Houston did.

Lol, no.

Horseface was offering a big contact but Houston outbid them.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by neech

I can feel the hatred my son.

Billay is probably trolling, but whatever. Denver has FINALLY become objectively a giant dumpster fire, and it was done at the hands of Horseface himself. And what does billay do? He doesn't grave dance. He doesn't ignore them. He makes some dumbshit devil's advocate remark that frames Elway's failures in a more positive light through shitty logic.

**** that and **** his smug ass thinking he's being a smart non-homer by perpetuating that shit.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Billay is probably trolling, but whatever. Denver has FINALLY become objectively a giant dumpster fire, and it was done at the hands of Horseface himself. And what does billay do? He doesn't grave dance. He doesn't ignore them. He makes some dumbshit devil's advocate remark that frames Elway's failures in a more positive light through shitty logic.

**** that and **** his smug ass thinking he's being a smart non-homer by perpetuating that shit.

I love that Denver's golden pony is absolutely running that team into the dirt. **** those cheating bastards. Hopefully Elway gets a few more years to nosedive that franchise straight to the core of the earth.

I know we recovered very quickly from what Pioli did to us, but not many coaches can do what Andy Reid did in the amount of time he did it. Hopefully the Donks get thrown into a Raiders type of spiral and they never recover.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

I may be in the minority but I’d rather rely on a steady veteran QB to hold down the fort until drafting a QB that fits into the offense. Elway is flailing away with Denver’s QB choices. Every time you bring in a QB who can’t hack it you have to start all over again, coaches lose jobs, and players may or may not fit into a new scheme.

Isn’t this what they did by bringing in Flacco?

They have no intentions of starting Lock this year.

[MahomesMagic]

The guy who said Lockweiler was right on.