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Old 07-17-2017, 10:40 AM  
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Panthers fire GM Gettlemen
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Old 07-18-2017, 05:15 PM   #61
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I have no problem with what Clark did. Dorsey had plenty of flaws and he's not some GM legend.

Carolina GM apparently was an asshole of the Pioli type.

As far as owner being business savvy? No effing idea but they certainty have done better than me.
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Old 07-19-2017, 08:53 AM   #62
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It would be easy to lump all these men into the same category, but the situations of Gettleman, Dorsey and even Baalke fall on an entirely different spectrum. These are all men who attacked the job with a certain aggressiveness that ironically made it easy for them to become expendable.

They all had their strengths and lorded over a noteworthy amount of success within their respective organizations. They also all made public gaffes that came back to haunt them in the end.

Dorsey didn't inspire the same level of acrimony with players that Gettleman had -- Dorsey's decision to release wide receiver Jeremy Maclin in June via a voicemail left on Maclin's phone was his most notorious move -- but there was plenty to question during his time in Kansas City.

Yes, Dorsey was responsible for the roster of a team that won at least 11 games in three of the last four years. He also oversaw a team that routinely found itself in salary-cap hell, wound up paying more money to Pro Bowler Eric Berry on a long-term deal that was consummated after Berry excelled while playing under the franchise tag, and lost two draft picks for tampering related to the contract Maclin signed in 2015.

That might be the ultimate blessing for the Panthers and the Chiefs. Sure, their owners could've found successors in-house if they had moved quicker on the terminations (the Chiefs watched director of football operations Chris Ballard go to Indianapolis in January as a general manager, while the Panthers saw assistant general manager Brandon Beane replace Whaley in Buffalo in May).

However, there's something to be said for recognizing when a mistake has been made. The lesson to be learned here is that there's a lot more to being a general manager these days than simply picking the players.
I have no desire to speculate on the reason for Dorsey's termination as those stupid arguments have all been hashed.

However, that tampering was all Reid, not Dorsey.
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Old 07-19-2017, 09:40 AM   #63
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I have no desire to speculate on the reason for Dorsey's termination as those stupid arguments have all been hashed.

However, that tampering was all Reid, not Dorsey.
That quote was from an NFL.com story and not something I stated.
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Old 07-19-2017, 09:42 AM   #64
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This is certain an attempt to grab Dorsey.
Richardson re-hired previous GM Marty Hurney, which completely dismisses that theory.


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Old 07-19-2017, 09:54 AM   #65
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Richardson re-hired previous GM Marty Hurney, which completely dismisses that theory.


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I think a lot of people jumped to that conclusion.

I don't think the NFL has the same reverence for Dorsey as many CPers believe.

You can damn sure bet that if any owner asks Clark about Dorsey, he's not going to hold back.
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Old 07-19-2017, 11:06 AM   #67
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I think a lot of people jumped to that conclusion.

I don't think the NFL has the same reverence for Dorsey as many CPers believe.

You can damn sure bet that if any owner asks Clark about Dorsey, he's not going to hold back.
How credible do you think Clark is after the Dorsey/Haley firings were handled? He rightfully fired Pioli but Scott seems to be well respected in the league.
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I think a lot of people jumped to that conclusion.

I don't think the NFL has the same reverence for Dorsey as many CPers believe.

You can damn sure bet that if any owner asks Clark about Dorsey, he's not going to hold back.
Well, the NFL is highly nepotistic as well. Plenty of teams will pass on what are, optically, better options for someone from their own network. It's not nefarious, as personalities meshing and creating cohesiveness is obviously vital. When people know each other and work well together, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

I think Dorsey will land a solid job within his own network pretty quickly, but maybe not at the GM position. Teams know what he does well, and (among the many) rumors floating make it sound like Dorsey really struggled with managing people.
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How credible do you think Clark is after the Dorsey/Haley firings were handled? He rightfully fired Pioli but Scott seems to be well respected in the league.
You're asking two different questions.

The power structure from 2009-2012 was that the Head Coach answered to the General Manager. Hunt didn't lose any credibility because it was Pioli's decision to fire him. As for Pioli being respected by the league, the only job opportunity that arose for him was in 2014, with his old pal, Thomas Dimitroff, the GM in Atlanta. Since 2015, Pioli has run the Personnel Department while Dimitroff takes care of the football operations.

If Pioli was offered a GM position for another franchise and that worked out well, his reputation would be fully restored. Since that hasn't happened, it's difficult to gauge how much "respect" the other 30 owners have for him.

Since 2013, the Head Coach, GM and President report directly to Clark Hunt, making it clear that Hunt didn't care for the prior dynamic. Clark is very well respected in league circles and was instrumental in avoiding a Lockout in 2011 and negotiating a new CBA. He also stood up to the "Old Guard" (Jerry Richardson and others) in voting down a plan to move the Raiders & Chargers to Carson while spearheading the Rams to Los Angeles.

If anything, the firing of Dorsey by Clark Hunt would likely make most owners hesitant to hire him in the same position in the future.
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How credible do you think Clark is after the Dorsey/Haley firings were handled? He rightfully fired Pioli but Scott seems to be well respected in the league.
After how those two firings were handled and his silly arrangement where there's always the threat of the head coach backdooring you to the owner, I'm not sure the job is as attractive as it could be.
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Most owners are nowhere near as business savvy as they are painted. Jerry Richardson doing this now is moronic just like Clark's move to fire Dorsey when he did.
You claimed that most of the owners aren't business savy, its not tough to comprehend.

What apparently is tough to comprehend is how hard it is to manage a Billion $ enterprise.

You act as if you have a clue what Clark does on a daily basis and he is some uneducated doofus.

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Clark Knobel Hunt was born on February 19, 1965.[citation needed] He is the son of Lamar Hunt and the grandson of oil tycoon H.L. Hunt.[2][3] After graduating from St. Mark's School of Texas, he finished first in his class at Southern Methodist University in 1987, where he was a captain of SMU's nationally ranked soccer team and a two-time Academic All-American. Hunt earned a degree in Business Administration with a concentration in Finance. He was a two-time recipient of the university's highest academic honor, the Provost Award for Outstanding Scholar.

I'm sure you can compare resumes.
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