Dorsey gone?

[George Liquor]

Per 610.

The ****?

[BlackOp]

I've failed to see a reason why they couldn't have hired someone to fill Ballard's job to help Dorsey with with organizational duties. He might not have been the prototypical GM but surely had to be acknowledged for the players he's drafted.

Bringing in a constant influx of cheap talent will keep you out of cap-hell and competitive.

As far as I can tell, they haven't had to cut any productive players. Maclin was borderline...

[Granslamwhich]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

I've failed to see a reason why they couldn't have hired someone to fill Ballard's job to help Dorsey with with organizational duties. He might not have been the prototypical GM but surely had to be acknowledged for the players he's drafted.

Bringing in a constant influx of cheap talent will keep you out of cap-hell and competitive.

As far as I can tell, they haven't had to cut any productive players. Maclin was borderline...

Unless they hope to find someone that is relatively good in both qualities... hopefully

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Oh I see, this one decision which you have zero knowledge of what was actually going on behind closed doors means Clark hasn't done well.

Got it.

I think Clark has earned the benefit of the doubt up to this point.


BTW who was the GM that traded 2 2nd round picks for Alex Smith?

1. Nobody fires their GM this late. It was a poor business move.
2. Clark wanted to keep Pioli after he burned his franchise to the ground.He hasn't earned my trust.
3. Who was the GM that drafted 3 all pro's in 4 years?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Oh I see, this one decision which you have zero knowledge of what was actually going on behind closed doors

The details are slowly leaking out, so I disagree with the notion that anyone has "zero knowledge" of what was happening.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by RunKC

1. Nobody fires their GM this late. It was a poor business move.
2. Clark wanted to keep Pioli after he burned his franchise to the ground.He hasn't earned my trust.
3. Who was the GM that drafted 3 all pro's in 4 years?

Hard to argue against these points. The calamity that has resulted in Dorsey's firing is as much to me a result of an owner that is less dialed into the day-to-day operations of the franchise than he likely should have been IMO.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The details are slowly leaking out, so I disagree with the notion that anyone has "zero knowledge" of what was happening.

If the details are accurate then Dorsey was basically doing his own thing and not listening to the scouting department (Kevin Hogan was the example given) or others so I have no issue with what Clark did.

Its fairly obvious Maclin was the final straw and that happened after Ballard left.

For all we know Clark was trying to make it work and that was the tipping point.

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

If the details are accurate then Dorsey was basically doing his own thing and not listening to the scouting department (Kevin Hogan was the example given) or others so I have no issue with what Clark did.

Its fairly obvious Maclin was the final straw and that happened after Ballard left.

For all we know Clark was trying to make it work and that was the tipping point.

Though if player evaluation is his strong suit it is hard to get upset for him making the final call. So he blew a 5th rounder.

Not really upset with the McClain thing. Well besides the tampering and losing a 2nd rounder was upsetting. He was never worth a 2nd rounder to begin with and the penalty seemed harsh considering that pretty much everyone did it as well, just a little better at it. But he really never fit the offense. He is a speed wr and we have a QB who only throws short.

The cap problems I can understand. The Hogan/McClain not so much.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Albert Breer interview on 610: He says that the feeling in summary was that Dorsey was a great scout, not a great general manager.

What if it is that simple? Given all that we know, that seems like a fair viewpoint.

[Bewbies]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Albert Breer interview on 610: He says that the feeling in summary was that Dorsey was a great scout, not a great general manager.

What if it is that simple? Given all that we know, that seems like a fair viewpoint.

Too simple for this place. Here we need a grand conspiracy or it's not true.

[prhom]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

Too simple for this place. Here we need a grand conspiracy or it's not true.

It very well may be that simple. The feeling for many of us is that if it is that simple then it feels like a huge mistake and that Clark is placing too much value on the business side vs the talent side.

It's like divorcing your supermodel because she's a terrible cook. You can find a new wife that can cook without any trouble, but chances are she's gonna be ugly.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by prhom

It very well may be that simple. The feeling for many of us is that if it is that simple then it feels like a huge mistake and that Clark is placing too much value on the business side vs the talent side.

It's like divorcing your supermodel because she's a terrible cook. You can find a new wife that can cook without any trouble, but chances are she's gonna be ugly.

I disagree.

If the leader of the organization is sloppy, unorganized, increasingly insular, doesn't share his thoughts and motives while making head scratching decisions, all signs point to disaster.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: John Dorsey is not the only guy in the NFL that does a agreat job of scouting and drafting.

[BlackOp]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I disagree.

making head scratching decisions, all signs point to disaster.

A 22-4 disaster? What head scratching decisions (plural) are you talking about? There is voicemail to Maclin and......

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BlackOp

A 22-4 disaster? What head scratching decisions (plural) are you talking about? There is voicemail to Maclin and......

Good ****ing god

[prhom]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I disagree.

If the leader of the organization is sloppy, unorganized, increasingly insular, doesn't share his thoughts and motives while making head scratching decisions, all signs point to disaster.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: John Dorsey is not the only guy in the NFL that does a agreat job of scouting and drafting.

I understand that point of view and am willing to admit that I really don't have the background to say for sure that Clark made a mistake here. There is so much we don't know about who the real genius is behind finding the hidden talent we've found over the last 4 years. Dorsey may be getting way too much credit. If that is the case then this was probably the right move because Dorsey did have serious flaws on the contract/cap side.

The frustrating part is that we will never know for sure how this went down and will only find out over the next few years whether it is as easy as you say to find someone who can keep drafting well.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by prhom

The frustrating part is that we will never know for sure how this went down.

What? How much more info do you need?

Terez, Mellinger, LaCanfora, Jason Cole and now Breer have each added more pictures to the puzzle.

It's pretty clear what "went down".

Originally Posted by prhom

and will only find out over the next few years whether it is as easy as you say to find someone who can keep drafting well.

Typical quote from an insular Chiefs fan.

You guys wonder why other teams are having better, quicker success (along with Super Bowl appearances and victories) than the Chiefs every year.

The Chiefs hire a guy that was more scout than GM, won a bunch of regular season games, was fired and now, he's impossible to replace.

This type of dumbassery is maddening.