Dorsey gone?

[George Liquor]

Per 610.

The ****?

[RunKC]

Brett Veach is the next Chris Ballard guys. I already shared the story of him being the scout that "banged on the table" for the Eagles to draft Fletcher Cox in Philly. Andy also tasked him to scout WR's in 2008 and the Eagles drafted DeSean Jackson that year.

Here's another one..

https://mobile.twitter.com/JennyVren...71292931235841

So Andy then asked him to scout RB's and Veach highly recommended LeSean McCoy.
Veach was the top scout for the SEC in Philly, and Terez Paylor mentioned in his facebook video that he was highly influential on the SEC region in KC as well. Not hard to figure out that he was one of the guys scouting Chris Jones and telling Dorsey about him.

I wonder if Clark's reasoning here was to move on and promote Veach since he's one of Andy's top guys for a long time, he's young and ready and was responsible for a lot of the talent we drafted the last 4 years?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Inmem58

Haley doesn't deserve an F

He was forced with a shit QB. I'd give him a solid B-

B- coaches don't get fired and then never get another HC gig

Haley was a D+ at best.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

I am not a huge fan of what the guy does on game day, but CLEARLY the guy can coach up players. Look at all the cast offs that have turned into legit players in KC...

Nobody says he isn't a good coach. He just isn't a great one.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Michael Lombardi wrote a column about Andy Reid over 8 years ago and it still applies today...


Tavern talk: NFL’s worst game manager

Spoiler!

I’d like to make an official announcement today:

Philadelphia Eagles head coach Andy Reid is the winner of the best coach in the NFL to be the worst game manager of all time.

Normally, bad coaches are bad game managers — it kind of goes hand in hand. The “Peter Principle” takes over for bad coaches, and the one area that can’t be hidden from fans is game management. Coaches’ ability to handle game situations is visible every Sunday, so those crunch-time decisions shed light on the kind of coach that’s running the team. Bad game managers become bad coaches because their decisions result in losses, which turn off fans and create doubt about the quality of the coach.

Andy Reid is the exception to the rule about bad coaches and bad game managers going hand in hand. He’s a good coach. For someone who’s won 100 regular-season games, he continues to amaze me with his lack of regard for managing the game and giving his team a chance to win. Yet he’s won his share of games, in large part because of the talent of the late Jim Johnson, the Eagles defensive coordinator whose unit would frequently bail out Reid and his poor decisions.

Reid makes decisions that leave me asking WTF?! Last year in Cincinnati, in a classic overtime game, he dazzled me with his moves at the end of regulation and in overtime. In fact, NFL Network should put that game on its classic series to teach young kids who dream of becoming NFL coaches what not to do when it comes to game management. The back and forth between Reid and Bengals coach Marvin Lewis will one day be part of a class lecture taught by own Bob Boland at NY U. Bobb McKittrick, the renown 49ers offensive line coach, once told me as we flew back from the Senior Bowl, “Young man, you can learn as much from what not to do as you can learn from what to do.”

I know Reid is smart. I know he works hard and is well-informed. But I also know he’s the worst game manager currently in the NFL. Sunday against the Raiders, he nailed down the title.

There are some in Philadelphia – a cynical city, for sure — who might feel that Reid is overrated as a coach. There’s some merit to that, especially when you consider that since their Super Bowl appearance in 2004, the Eagles are 36-32-1. They haven’t dominated the NFL, but they’ve been to the playoffs twice, including one conference championship game, since their bowl appearance. A little balance is always a good thing, especially in Philadelphia.

And for the record, I feel the Eagles should extend Reid’s contract because he’s a good coach. However, there should be one caveat. They should insist he bring someone from the outside to assist him, especially on game days with alternative ways to manage the game. It should be someone who won’t be intimidated by Reid and can make independent recommendations, not just tell him what he wants to hear like many do in Philadelphia.

How did Reid earn this title? With many of his game-gasping management decisions – and none more gasping than this one on Sunday. We start with the Eagles, down 13-9, getting the ball with 3:42 to go in the game and having all their timeouts.

Philadelphia Eagles at 3:42

1-10-PHI 20 (3:42) D.McNabb pass short middle to B.Westbrook to PHI 28 for 8 yards (T.Howard).

2-2-PHI 28 (3:17) B.Westbrook left tackle to PHI 39 for 11 yards (M.Huff). R13

1-10-PHI 39 (2:52) (Shotgun) D.McNabb pass short middle to D.Jackson to OAK 49 for 12 yards (T.Branch). P14

1-10-OAK 49 (2:45) D.McNabb pass incomplete deep right to D.Jackson.

2-10-OAK 49 (2:36) (Shotgun) D.McNabb pass incomplete deep middle to J.Avant.

3-10-OAK 49 (2:32) (Shotgun) D.McNabb scrambles up the middle to OAK 43 for 6 yards (M.Huff).

THIS PLAY CALL IS UNDERSTOOD. THEY ARE IN FOUR-DOWN TERRITORY.

Timeout #1 by PHI at 02:21.

HAVE TO TAKE THE TIMEOUT HERE TO REGROUP. NEED TO GET THE FIRST DOWN.

4-4-OAK 43 (2:21) (Shotgun) D.McNabb pass incomplete deep left to D.Jackson.

Oakland Raiders at 2:14

CHANGE OF POSSESSION STOPS THE CLOCK. AT THIS POINT, BEFORE SENDING THE DEFENSE BACK ON THE FIELD, YOU MUST TELL THEM TO CALL A TIMEOUT IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE FIRST RUN.

1-10-OAK 44 (2:14) J.Fargas right tackle to OAK 46 for 2 yards (B.Bunkley).

Timeout #2 by PHI at 02:10.

NOW, MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO THE PLAYERS TO LET THE PLAY CLOCK WORK DOWN. WE WANT THE RAIDERS TO HAVE TO RUN THE BALL, AND THE ONLY WAY TO ENSURE A RUN IS TO LET THE CLOCK HIT THE TWO-MINUTE WARNING. IF THE PLAY CLOCK STOPS WITH ONE SECOND LEFT, AT 2:09, CALL TIME OUT. BUT ONCE THE CLOCK PASSES 2:08, LET IT GO TO THE TWO-MINUTE WARNING, WHICH WILL FORCE THE RAIDERS TO RUN ONE MORE TIME.

2-8-OAK 46 (2:10) J.Fargas up the middle to OAK 44 for -2 yards (T.Cole).

Timeout #3 by PHI at 02:02.

HEAD SCRATCHER. NOW REID HAS ALLOWED THE RAIDERS THE OPTION TO RUN OR PASS WITHOUT CAUSING ANY HARM AND FORCING HIS DEFENSE TO DEFEND THE ENTIRE OFFENSIVE PLAYBOOK. THIS IS A HUGE MISTAKE.

3-10-OAK 44 (2:02) J.Russell pass short right to G.Russell to PHI 43 for 13 yards (J.Trotter). P17

Two-Minute Warning

WOULD NEVER HAVE CALLED A PASS HERE HAD IT NOT BEEN BEFORE THE TWO MINUTE. THIS COST THE EAGLES A CHANCE TO WIN THE GAME — BY GETTING THE BALL BACK. MAYBE YOU COULD ARGUE A PLAYER CALLED TIMEOUT BY MISTAKE, BUT THE TIMEOUT BEFORE, THE COACHES SHOULD HAVE GONE OVER THIS SITUATION. IT WAS SO WEIRD THAT WHEN YOU WATCH THE TV REPLAY OF THE GAME, THEY HAD THE CLOCK GO DOWN TO THE TWO-MINUTE WARNING, NEVER THINKING THE EAGLES HAD CALLED TIMEOUT. I HAD TO REWATCH IT FIVE TIMES. THE ANNOUNCERS NEVER ADDRESSED THE RUN PASS.

1-10-PHI 43 (1:55) J.Fargas left tackle to PHI 46 for -3 yards (T.Laws).

2-13-PHI 46 (1:13) J.Russell kneels to PHI 47 for -1 yards.

PENALTY on PHI-D.Howard, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at PHI 47.

All of Philadelphia is on Reid for his play-calling and lack of halftime adjustments from the Raiders game, and here are some of his responses to those questions. Reid on WIP. Yet for me, the disappointment doesn’t come from Reid’s failure to keep the run-pass ratio in order but his lack of understanding of how to manage the game — especially now that Jim Johnson isn’t around to bail him out.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...-game-manager/

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by notorious

My gut instinct tells me that this was a horrible mistake.

Clark fired Peterson and Edwards and the next regime improved the Chiefs.

Clark fired Pioli, Haley and Crennel and the next regime improved the Chiefs roster.

Clark fired Dorsey: What basis do you have that it'll be a mistake?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Clark fired Peterson and Edwards and the next regime improved the Chiefs.

Clark fired Pioli, Haley and Crennel and the next regime improved the Chiefs roster.

Clark fired Dorsey: What basis do you have that it'll be a mistake?

Peterson left the roster shit.

Pioli kept the roster shit, perhaps even double-dipping on said shit.

Dorsey made the roster one of the best in the NFL.

Next GM has to not go backwards.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Maybe Dorsey told Clark Hunt to eat a bag of dicks?

I doubt it. Dorsey strikes me as the kind of man who would shove said bag of dicks down Clark's throat without saying a word.

Originally Posted by RunKC

Hiring Brett Veach would really be a nice transition. He was ready to be the #2 guy, however he probably needed another year of seasoning. Now is the perfect time for him.

He doesn't have to do much of anything for awhile. The draft is over, the team is set and coaches will make the cuts in training camp.

Veach has an entire season to continue learning the job and be ready for FA and the draft in the spring.

All of the scouts are the same, coaching the same and Veach is the same. I bet this is what happens.

At this point, you almost HAVE to keep it in-house. There was/is very little wrong with the scouting and talent evaluation processes. Keep what works and adjust what wasn't. Bringing in some outsider with a whole new clown show would be detrimental.

Originally Posted by notorious

My gut instinct tells me that this was a horrible mistake.

That's not just your gut, that's sound reasoning based upon the known fact that if there exists a way to shoot yourself in the ass, this franchise will out-travel Indiana Jones across the globe to find the mother****er.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Clark fired Peterson and Edwards and the next regime improved the Chiefs.

Clark fired Pioli, Haley and Crennel and the next regime improved the Chiefs roster.

Clark fired Dorsey: What basis do you have that it'll be a mistake?

In what parallel universe did Peeholi, Haley, and Crennel "improve the Chiefs"?
Was it the megalomaniac?
His hand-picked turd QB?
Perhaps the parking lot suicide?

[Urc Burry]

As long as Veach gets the job I don't think our drafting is going to take some huge hit. Dorsey was amazing at the draft, but there is a team of guys who do it. Under Veach it should remain relatively the same

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Peterson left the roster shit.

Actually, I disagree.

Bowe, Hali, Charles, Albert, Carr, Flowers, DJ, Connor Barth, Colquitt, Erik Walden (what a dumb cut by Pioli & Haley) was a solid core.

Originally Posted by kccrow

Pioli kept the roster shit, perhaps even double-dipping on said shit.

Pioli was pretty stinkin' bad but he did add Berry, Houston, Bailey, Hudson and Poe.

Originally Posted by kccrow

Dorsey made the roster one of the best in the NFL.

Sure but it took him a few years.

Originally Posted by kccrow

Next GM has to not go backwards.

I agree but it would take extraordinarily bad luck for Hunt to hire someone can't build upon the foundation that Reid and Dorsey have set the past 4 years.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate

In what parallel universe did Peeholi, Haley, and Crennel "improve the Chiefs"?
Was it the megalomaniac?
His hand-picked turd QB?
Perhaps the parking lot suicide?

The Chiefs went from 9-7 to 4-12 then 2-14 under Peterson and Edwards.

Under Pioli & Haley, they went to 4-12, 10-6, 7-9 back to 2-14, while adding Poe, Berry, Houston and Hudson along the way.

The Chiefs had a much better roster in 2013 than when the prior regimes reigned.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

As long as Veach gets the job I don't think our drafting is going to take some huge hit. Dorsey was amazing at the draft, but there is a team of guys who do it. Under Veach it should remain relatively the same

Hopefully he would hire Dorsey to help out and keep it even more the same.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Picking up a few decent picks is/was hardly worth the other shit that came with it.(Peeholi)

I'm going to put this in terms that you and probably a few others will understand.

Chiefs with Reid and Dorsey are Motley Crue.

Chiefs just finished touring Canada, playing some new songs that will be on the next record.
Chiefs are headed to the studio( with new QB )to record what will become 'Shout At The Devil'.
Chiefs are run over crossing the street by a blundering Doc McGee( Hunt ), and forget who they are, and how to write songs.

Chiefs proceed directly to self-titled record, with shitty new singer(GM).

No 'Shout'
No 'Theater'
No 'Girls'
No 'Feelgood'

Just shit, shit, shit.
Career over.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

As long as Veach gets the job I don't think our drafting is going to take some huge hit. Dorsey was amazing at the draft, but there is a team of guys who do it. Under Veach it should remain relatively the same

Veach has proven he can find talent and it wouldn't surprise me if Andy and Clark decided to promote him bc he's far younger and they'd lose him next year.

I think Veach had a strong hand in a lot of draft picks we made and all reports are sharp and very elaborate in his work.

[Buzz]

I think Dorsey managed to get himself an attitude check by the guy that signed his paycheck.

Reid is a good coach, A-, B+, he may have an up hill battle the next couple of years with the cap.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Veach has proven he can find talent and it wouldn't surprise me if Andy and Clark decided to promote him bc he's far younger and they'd lose him next year.

I think Veach had a strong hand in a lot of draft picks we made and all reports are sharp and very elaborate in his work.

I hope this is the case.