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Old 04-09-2017, 08:57 AM  
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Okay, so WHAT exactly is so goddamn great about the 2018 QB class?
I see a loooooot of question marks here. A bunch of guys who would be 3rd or 4th rounders in THIS draft class if they declared this year. A bunch of these dudes are so young they might not even declare for the draft. And finally, we got a bunch of spread QBs who.... [gasp!]... need time to acclimate to an NFL pro style offense and develop the footwork and timing of taking snaps under center.

I see Sam Darnold. That's great. There's your #1 overall. IF HE ****ING DECLARES, THAT IS. I see Josh Rosen, who looked good in 2015 but could wind up as another Christian Hackenburg who never puts it all together. And I see a bunch of dried cum with question marks, JUST LIKE THIS QB DRAFT CLASS.

Here's how Walter Football has them ranked:

1. Sam Darnold, USC
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA
3. Luke Falk, Washington State
4. Josh Allen, Wyoming
5. Jarrett Stidham, Auburn
6. Nick Fitzgerald, Mississippi State
7. Chase Litton, Marshall
8. Riley Ferguson, Memphis

COULD this be an awesome and deep draft class for QBs? Yes, absoutely. No question about it. But guess what. There's an equal chance that this QB class flames out and looks just as bad as the 2013 class, particularly if Sam Darnold doesn't declare.

People who bitch about the 2017 class don't ****ing get it. They think if there's no true top end QB, that means they all suck. What do the Chiefs ****ing care about the quality of the top guys in a given QB draft class? We're not going to be in a position to draft them!

Again, let me say this slowly, so the reeruns and assholes can hear me:

In ANY GIVEN DRAFT CLASS, the top QB prospects with the best resumes and attributes are irrelevant to the QB draft needs of the Chiefs. The Chiefs have zero shot at picking any of them. The worst teams with the biggest QB needs will draft all of these players before Dorsey can even begin to pick up the goddamn phone to call and move up.

Tell me what we gain from NOT drafting a QB in 2017 so we can draft Josh Allen, Jarrett Stidham, or Chase ****ing Litton in 2018, a FULL YEAR LONGER where Alex Smith is the only ****ing thing we have at QB.
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Old 04-09-2017, 10:02 AM   #16
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I personally hate the idea that you need an 'Andrew Luck' type prospect if you are taking a QB early in the draft. Why?

At the end of the day, you're going to need a solid team and coaching staff around whatever QB you draft for them to succeed, which the Chiefs currently have. Andrew Luck does not, however, in Indy.

This team is set up to draft any talented QB early and have success, because the foundation around the position is already in place.
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Old 04-09-2017, 10:04 AM   #17
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Right. He did that on 3/4 of a season. He looks the part but how many have and have taken steps back during their college careers?

It is really pretty dumb to make decisions for the now based on what some college kid may do in a year.
He may regress but I think the kid has it.
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Old 04-09-2017, 10:05 AM   #18
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Old 04-09-2017, 10:06 AM   #19
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He may regress but I think the kid has it.
Let's say it's Darnold and Falk.

Again, what good does that do the Chiefs? We have no shot at them.

Let's say Mitch Trubisky falls to 27. How is he not just as good of a prospect as Josh ****ing Allen, a guy who threw a zillion picks playing in the Mountain West?
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Also, when is the last time you saw a really good football team draft a great QB prospect in the top 10?

Unless the Chiefs fall off drastically in 2017, so much so that Reid and Dorsey end up on a very hot seat, we will not be in position to take any of the top 2-3 QBs in 2018. Hard to see them winning any more or less than 9 to 12 games this year. 2017 is the year to draft the QB. Do it now so you can have a kid ready to roll in 2018 and move on from Alex's contract.
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Old 04-09-2017, 10:21 AM   #21
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Just stop it.

Next year has always been the best year to draft a QB since 1983.
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Old 04-09-2017, 10:24 AM   #22
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Too risky.

Kid at my local high school has been tearing it up. We should target him after Alex's upcoming extension hits its twilight years in 2021.
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Too risky.

Kid at my local high school has been tearing it up. We should target him after Alex's upcoming extension hits its twilight years in 2021.
Somewhere out there a drunken star college football player is about to knock up a drunken star college soccer player. We should hold out for that unholy brood to declare for the draft.
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Somewhere out there a drunken star college football player is about to knock up a drunken star college soccer player. We should hold out for that unholy brood to declare for the draft.
Star college pitcher and star college player.

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If you want to wait until 2018 to draft a QB....then you'd better be ready to hope Smith goes down for the entire season and Bray leads us to eaxtly 1-2 wins. That's the only shot we'll have at a high QB. And even then it will be "He's not Andrew Luck! We need to draft an offensive lineman to protect Smith and get our QB in 2019!"
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The same people who aren't willing to wait till 2018 to draft a QB are willing to draft a QB and have him sit for 2 years to develop. What's the difference?
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1. Sam Darnold, USC
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA
3. Luke Falk, Washington State
4. Josh Allen, Wyoming
5. Jarrett Stidham, Auburn
6. Nick Fitzgerald, Mississippi State
7. Chase Litton, Marshall
8. Riley Ferguson, Memphis
To supplement your list in no particular order:

9. Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma)
10. Max Browne (Pitt)
11. Matt Linehan (Idaho)
12. Mike White (Western Kentucky)
13. Quinton Flowers (South Florida)
14. Jeremiah Briscoe (Sam Houston State)
15. Logan Woodside (Toledo)
16. Lamar Jackson (Louisville)*
17. Brett Rypien (Boise State)*

'*' denotes underclassmen in 2018

As it stands today, with seniors alone, I personally think the 2018 class is superior to 2017. Any combination of the underclassmen declare and it could be quite special both in terms of talent and depth.

Nonetheless, the Chiefs won't wait until next year to draft a QB because Dorsey was taught by Ron Wolf to draft a QB every year...every other year at minimum. For KC so far on Dorsey's watch....Bray (UDFA/ '13), Murray (Rd 5/ '14) and Hogan (Rd 5/ '16).

Therefore, it's a reasonable expectation for the Chiefs to draft one both in 2017 and 2018 and I doubt they wait until the 5th round in either year to do so given the impending separation from Alex Smith and his salary.
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Also, you don't really know how these players are going to look a year from now. Several of them could have 2017 seasons that place them far and away above the guys coming out this year, who all need work.

The fact that most everyone agrees the 2018 class is ALREADY better is a big deal given that they still have another season to improve.
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The 2018 rounder might need a year or two also. Were you actually being serious here?
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