Mock (12/28)

[Direckshun]

Well, I lost my previous one due to a saving error, so you're not getting any explanations on this one.

Assumptions:

1. Chiefs finish 12-4, beat Texans then lose in OT in New England. Reid, Dorsey, Smith all retained.

2. ILB Derrick Johnson does not retire, and will return like Justin Houston did this week.

3. RB Jamaal Charles renegotiates a contract down to 2 years, $4m; P Dustin Colquitt renegotiates his contract down to 2 years, $5m.

4. S Eric Berry is re-signed for 4 years, $44m ($19m guaranteed).

5. The Chiefs tender the following players: FB Trey Millard, WR Albert Wilson, S Daniel Sorensen, K Cairo Santos, LS James Winchester.

6. The following players walk in free agency: QB Nick Foles, RB Knile Davis, OG Mike Person, NT Dontari Poe, DE Kendall Reyes, DE Jarvis Jenkins

7. The following players are cut: FB Anthony Sherman, TE Ross Travis, OLB Frank Zombo, ILB Terrance Smith, CB Kenneth Acker

8. The Chiefs sign QB EJ Manuel (Bills) for two years; TE Anthony Fasano (Titans) for 1 year; NT Chris Baker (Redskins) for four years.

9. The Chiefs bring in 4 compensatory picks: a 4th (Sean Smith), a 5th (Chase Daniel), and two 6ths (Donald Stephenson & Tyvon Branch).

On with the show:

1.28. OG Dan Feeney, Indiana

The Chiefs are satisfied with their roster everywhere. They don't have a QBotF, but they don't think there's one in this draft anyway. Their skill positions are strong, their front seven lost Poe but is still very stout with the signing of Chris Harris, who should beast in this system. Their rotation at passrusher is one of the league's best, and with Terrance Mitchell turning out to be a perfect scheme fit, they have a secondary they really love.

The one area the Chiefs hate, however, is their OL losing the line of scrimmage every game. Both guards need to be upgraded, and by bringing in one of my favorite guard prospects since David DeCastro and returning Parker Ehinger from injury, they've done that.

2.60. RB Samaje Perine, Oklahoma

Perfect scheme fit and finalizes our RB corps as one of the best in the NFL.

3.91. S Marcus Maye, Florida

Perfect scheme fit and gives us one of the best S corps in the NFL.

4.127. QB Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh

Aaron Murray clone.

4.133 (compensatory). ILB Dylan Cole, Missouri State

Not a scheme fit, just a little hometown love here; Andy Reid's drafted a Missouri State Bear before anyway.

5.166. OT Will Holden, Vanderbilt

5.173 (compensatory). WR Travin Dural, LSU

6.204 (compensatory). TE Pharaoh Brown, Oregon

6.210 (compensatory). CB Deatrick Nichols, South Florida

7.250. ILB Jalen Reeves-Maybin, Tennessee

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by O.city

Fisher is here for a while, they're contractually set there.

A few really athletic bad ass guards would be ok I suppose.

I agree. Fisher is probably a Chief for a long time.

That's not a bad thing. He's a good player. But he's not going to win the line of scrimmage running downhill.

We need guards that consistently can. We do not have those guards right now, though I'm comfortable with a wait-and-see on Ehinger.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Zach Fulton is irrelevant to our future. He's depth who has been forced to play a starter's role this year. Ideally, he won't see a single snap next year if everybody stays healthy.

Get some competition for LDT. Absolutely. But it doesn't have to be Super Guard that we draft, nor should it be.

That 5th year option is a huge deal, and it makes your 1st rounders all the more valuable if you hit on them. It's going to make a huge difference down the road in terms of the cap when we try to maneuver around and re-sign some of our young guys.

You were saying the same shit about Cameron Irving two years ago, and while he's a fine player, he's not Marcus Peters. Not every pick is going to be Marcus Peters, but what if we get a consistent stream of Dee Ford-type players in the first round? That would be huge. And we'd want them in the spots that matter the most.

Guard matters alot.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

You were saying the same shit about Cameron Irving two years ago, and while he's a fine player, he's not Marcus Peters. Not every pick is going to be Marcus Peters, but what if we get a consistent stream of Dee Ford-type players in the first round? That would be huge. And we'd want them in the spots that matter the most.

Well first of all, I did argue the reason we should pass on Peters were his huge character concerns. Not his play.

I dramatically underestimated the strength of the Chiefs locker room -- Berry, Parker, Emmitt Thomas and Andy Reid have done a ****ing outstanding job keeping Peters worst excesses in check. I've said this before but the Chiefs must have the best locker room in the NFL, and that makes picks like Peters far less risky.

But I digress. I think you make a fair point.

I just think you're undervaluing what even just ONE Pro Bowl caliber guard could do for this offense. You'd have Morse-Feeney-Schwartz on the right side -- the line of scrimmage would be ours; we would be able to run at will on almost anybody. Which would open up everything on the offense.

Maybe Ehinger is that guard, but I don't see it. And you certainly can get a Pro Bowl caliber guard later in the draft, but I really, really love Feeney and think he has All Pro potential.

Let's call Dee Ford "very good" for now, and try this exercise:

An elite guard would have a greater impact on the 2017 Chiefs than a very good WR, or a very good DL, or a very good ILB. A very good CB or QB, however, would easily trump the elite guard, however, ***IF*** one is there.

[O.city]

An elite ilb would be pretty tits with a healthy dl as well. That's kind of where I wanna go.

[Direckshun]

Greatest impact on the 2017 Chiefs, assuming these are our choices:

very good CB
very good QB


elite OG




very good ILB
very good WR




very good DL

My prediction is that Dorsey will draft DL, however, because his track record is to think a season or two down the road.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by O.city

An elite ilb would be pretty tits with a healthy dl as well. That's kind of where I wanna go.

Bah humbug, I say.

I'm not on the Cunningham train, first of all.

Second of all, we'll have DJ back by playoff time.

Third of all, Ramik, Mauga, March and Alexander/Smith can get us by just fine until DJ does return, so long as we're not playing all backups at DL like we did for parts of this year.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

M'alrighty. So you'd argue that Fisher is controlling the line of scrimmage on run plays?

I'd argue that Fisher is an above average run blocker. If you don't see that, then refer to my earlier post.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

I'd argue that Fisher is an above average run blocker. If you don't see that, then refer to my earlier post.

Well that's not much of an argument.

"This is true, and if you disagree you're stupid."

Not exactly Kant's Categorical Imperative, there...

[kc79]

Using JD's history, they'll probably franchise Poe and draft a NT or ILB

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Well that's not much of an argument.

"This is true, and if you disagree you're stupid."

Not exactly Kant's Categorical Imperative, there...

You showed zero evidence to back up your argument that Fisher isn't winning the line of scrimmage when the Chiefs try to run the ball downhill.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

You showed zero evidence to back up your argument that Fisher isn't winning the line of scrimmage when the Chiefs try to run the ball downhill.

That's fair. Would you like to see some?

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

That's fair. Would you like to see some?

Sure. Make sure to also show Fisher winning at the line of scrimmage.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Bah humbug, I say.

I'm not on the Cunningham train, first of all.

Second of all, we'll have DJ back by playoff time.

Third of all, Ramik, Mauga, March and Alexander/Smith can get us by just fine until DJ does return, so long as we're not playing all backups at DL like we did for parts of this year.

Ah, no. All of this is wrong and bad.

You know your ILB crew is shit when Mauga is the prized jewel of the group. We don't know when DJ will be back or if he'll ever be the same. Dude was slowing down before the 2nd blow out.

But yeah, I also am not a fan of a guy that was flying around and making big plays on a shitty Vandy squad.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

Sure. Make sure to also show Fisher winning at the line of scrimmage.

Don't have the technology/brains to show anything. I'm picking a game against a decent-to-good front seven and summarizing.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Ah, no. All of this is wrong and bad.

You know your ILB crew is shit when Mauga is the prized jewel of the group. We don't know when DJ will be back or if he'll ever be the same. Dude was slowing down before the 2nd blow out.

But yeah, I also am not a fan of a guy that was flying around and making big plays on a shitty Vandy squad.

I went to the Mizzou game where the ****ing Missouri asshat offense moved the ball at will all over Vandy. Cunningham is not a difference maker.

Secondly, Mauga is a solid fundamentals player. His weakness is staying healthy, always has been.