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Old 09-11-2016, 12:32 PM  
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Is it time to start Foles over Smith?
Pathetic.

He's played poorly today


Thoughts?
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Old 10-31-2016, 02:09 PM   #1126
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He had over 200 yards rushing in 2013. Which is a hell of a lot more than Alex is going to have this year.

You were talking like Foles was Drew Bledsoe. He's not close.
3.9 YPC get you hard, does it?

If he wants to be a successful player, he'd better start playing like he's Drew Bledsoe because he doesn't have the athletic talent to play fast and loose. Besides, aren't you the fella that just said that 2013 is too long ago to worry about w/r/t Alex Smith?

The difference between a 24 yr old with few miles on him and a 27 yr old with another hundred hits on him is going to be pretty stark.

He had at least 2 chances to use his legs to extend a drive yesterday and both times he looked caught in between. He isn't a fluid athlete and if he keeps trying to play with erratic mechanics, he's going to continue to struggle with his accuracy.
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Old 10-31-2016, 02:12 PM   #1127
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He's talking about athleticism over correcting throwing mechanics or moreso, throwing from different angles and being able to be accurate.
Exactly.

Those clips show you a dude with long legs that can cover some ground if he has to. But that play when he stumbles and kinds falls into a dive/slide? Or the play where he flips ass over tea-kettle? Those show exactly what I'm talking about; he's simply not a naturally athletic person like the QBs that are able to overcome inconsistent mechanics.

He's an arm-talent guy; if he succeeds, it will be as a pure passer. And he won't succeed as a pure passer if he doesn't get that inconsistency ironed out.
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Old 10-31-2016, 02:13 PM   #1128
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And yet, he is more accurate than Smith.
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Old 10-31-2016, 02:13 PM   #1129
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3.9 YPC get you hard, does it?
He's not a pure pocket passer. He has escape ability. He can outrun linemen. You can even *gasp* read option with him.

But yes, please throw the ball. Absolutely.
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Old 10-31-2016, 02:15 PM   #1130
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I'm wondering what the Chiefs' front office has planned for Foles. Do they see him as Smith's successor when his contract expires?

If he moves on in the next few yrs, I won't be at all shocked to see him tear it up elsewhere.

I'm torn here. I like Alex Smith and would hate to see him get Kaepernicked again, but I really like everything I've seen of Foles. If we extend Smith or let Foles go before Smith's contract ends, it could end up being a major missed opportunity.
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Anyone got the A22 of these?

Lets gif them all up...

I think west slipped on that play, personally..at least thats what it looked like live to me. West is a fast mother****er...if he didnt slip on that play I think it wouldve been OK. But i could be wrong.

The other two I would need to look at again, and would love to if someone can post up the A22
If I remember correctly, Foles floated the pass a bit high. Should have been an easy completion, but he let the ball get away from him.
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Old 10-31-2016, 02:17 PM   #1132
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3.9 YPC get you hard, does it?
That all depends...

Were they designed runs? Or was it him turning a sack into +3.9

I think youre trying too hard here, IMO. It is what it is...Alex is the starter right now..no need to wet yourself...yet.
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Old 10-31-2016, 02:17 PM   #1133
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And yet, he is more accurate than Smith.
Well, I mean, apart from that being incorrect...

And besides, I've never crowed about Smith's accuracy either, but that gets back to Smith's general recognition of his limitations. He's not an outstanding downfield passer so he doesn't put the ball in harm's way. He's a pretty good intermediate passer, especially over the middle. When he takes his shots downfield, that's where he likes to do it. But unlike Foles, if the throw isn't in rhythm, he's not throwing it late over the middle where a miss comes back the other way.

Foles isn't an outstanding downfield passer but **** it, he's throwing it anyway. Good luck trying that against a team with a credible secondary.

There's probably a happy middle between the two but if you're picking one guy for this team, the choice should be the guy that doesn't set your defense up in tough spots and allows you to keep the football longer to utilize your running game.

Foles is a better fit for a team with a bad defense that needs to win in shootouts. He'll get hot on occasion and can go out there, feel his oats and throw with just about anyone. But he'll also take you right out of games that were easily winnable. Smith's a better fit for a team with a good defense and strong running game.
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If I remember correctly, Foles floated the pass a bit high. Should have been an easy completion, but he let the ball get away from him.
i thought west lost his footing while in the flat which prevented him from accelerating fully. the pass was floated as a timing pass, before west got to the spot where the ball wouldve landed... If west had proper footing I thought (at the time) he wouldve accelerated faster and made it to that spot.

Thats why Im asking if anyone has the a22 so we can look at west's foot work
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He's not a pure pocket passer. He has escape ability. He can outrun linemen. You can even *gasp* read option with him.

But yes, please throw the ball. Absolutely.
The quarterback you're describing lost his job to Keenum. That's the kind of QB he'll continue to be if he doesn't become a pure pocket passer. He'll be an unreliable career backup and nobody in this league will entrust him with the keys to a legitimate contender.

He lacks the innate athleticism to be the kind of inconsistent passer he presently is.
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I'm wondering what the Chiefs' front office has planned for Foles.
Absolutely nothing. Alex Smith is their guy.

Which is why I'm hoping Alex forces their hand and retires.
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i thought west lost his footing while in the flat which prevented him from accelerating fully. the pass was floated as a timing pass, before west got to the spot where the ball wouldve landed... If west had proper footing I thought (at the time) he wouldve accelerated faster and made it to the spot.

Thats why Im asking if anyone has the a22 so we can look at west's foot work
You may be correct, I'm just going off memory - which could be wrong. I just remember thinking he floated it and missed an easy one.
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The quarterback you're describing lost his job to Keenum. That's the kind of QB he'll continue to be if he doesn't become a pure pocket passer. He'll be an unreliable career backup and nobody in this league will entrust him with the keys to a legitimate contender.

He lacks the innate athleticism to be the kind of inconsistent passer he presently is.
between you and me - do you think he resembles Tom Petty's boy?
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You may be correct, I'm just going off memory - which could be wrong. I just remember thinking he floated it and missed an easy one.
I never noticed a slip; I though Foles rushed it a bit and overheated the pass because he didn't realize he had a beat to release it.

Maybe he's right but my memory was that the ball landed OOB.
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