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Old 09-11-2016, 12:32 PM  
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Is it time to start Foles over Smith?
Pathetic.

He's played poorly today


Thoughts?
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Old 10-31-2016, 01:44 PM   #1111
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Old 10-31-2016, 01:46 PM   #1112
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The Seahawks absolutely won a Super Bowl by being conservative.
The year the Seahawks won the Super Bowl, Russell Wilson:

Was third in the NFL in TD%
4th in the NFL in YPA
4th in the NFL in YPC
3rd in the NFL in air yards per attempt

That narrative doesn't jive with Alex D. Smith.
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Old 10-31-2016, 01:49 PM   #1113
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No it was a direct ****ing comparison. If you want to dismiss the argument that the Rams and Jeff Fischer made a decent QB look bad, you have to dismiss that a bad 49ers team and multiple offensive coordinators made Alex Smith look bad. So that must mean that Alex Smith sucks. Or, maybe he doesn't suck, but then neither does Foles.

You are the one applying one set of rules to Alex Smith criticism and another to Foles. Both looked bad on bad teams with the wrong coach. Foles did manage to slip in a record breaking season, however. And he looks to be doing pretty good now that he's back in a system that is better for him with a coach that is better for him.
Okay, I see your misunderstanding.

example A

" Nick Foles sucked then because of HC, etc etc etc. "
" Alex Smith sucked then because of HC, etc etc etc. "

These two sentences.. to me.. are NOT.. excuses.

example B

" Alex Smith sucked then because of HC, etc etc etc. "
" Nick Foles sucked then because of HC, etc etc etc. "

Accepting one of these sentences as an excuse.. but not the other..
is what many other people do here. That is hypocritical, and fails.
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Old 10-31-2016, 01:50 PM   #1114
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Uh, watch any of Foles highlights. He can scramble well enough.









And he knows how to ****ing GET DOWN before the defender is already in mid-hit unlike some other QBs I won't mention.
3rd gif down dude gets blasted for not sliding early enough, then we're say g he slides early enough.

Atleast try man. DON'T half ass it.
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Old 10-31-2016, 01:52 PM   #1115
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3rd gif down dude gets blasted for not sliding early enough, then we're say g he slides early enough.

Atleast try man. DON'T half ass it.


I didn't say he slid perfectly EVERY time.

But we know a guy who almost NEVER slides that way. Which led to what happened yesterday.
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Old 10-31-2016, 01:54 PM   #1116
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The 20 yarder to Conley wasn't good. The 5 yarder to Harris wasn't good. The flat out whiff to West wasn't good. He was behind on a couple of other crossing routes though I don't recall where he was going with those.

You don't have to oversell his performance; he played well in a tough spot. That said, he's a 5 year veteran that's been in this system before and was playing quite possibly the worst secondary in football. In so doing, he was solid, but most assuredly not 'lights out'.
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Interesting note - I heard a commentator in the pre-season talk about Smith being a leg-locked passer and made a point to try to watch for it some this year. He's right; Smith likes to lock that leg and it does seem to sap him of some arm strength.

Foles doesn't. Foles is going to have freer, easier velocity than Smith and I just don't see any arguing it. But it sure looked to me like he couldn't maintain his arm slot. He'd bring the ball out from several different angles and I just don't think you can be a consistently successful quarterback doing that unless you're an insanely good athlete.

Rodgers can do it because his body allows him to get away with it. Stafford and Cutler could do it as well and both of them are underrated athletes. I don't see that ability with Foles. He's very much the upright pocket passer and if he hopes to take a step forward, that arm has to be more consistent.
It's always gonna be an accuracy issue because of the arm slot issue. Muscle memory is a bitch.
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Old 10-31-2016, 02:00 PM   #1119
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Okay, I see your misunderstanding.

example A

" Nick Foles sucked then because of HC, etc etc etc. "
" Alex Smith sucked then because of HC, etc etc etc. "

These two sentences.. to me.. are NOT.. excuses.

example B

" Alex Smith sucked then because of HC, etc etc etc. "
" Nick Foles sucked then because of HC, etc etc etc. "

Accepting one of these sentences as an excuse.. but not the other..
is what many other people do here. That is hypocritical, and fails.
How the **** is this my misunderstanding?

I haven't been hypocritical. Anyone with a brain can see that Alex Smith improved under Harbaugh and has played pretty well under Reid. He got better in the right circumstances.

Foles is now in better circumstances, and to say a bad season under Fischer on a horrible Rams team is some benchmark of his real talent is ****ing idiotic. But that's what some here are doing.

And you seem to be one of them.
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It's always gonna be an accuracy issue because of the arm slot issue. Muscle memory is a bitch.
I direct you back to the Drew Brees sports science.

That guy's ability to replicate his delivery down to the millimeter throw after throw after throw is one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. The release angle out of his hand, the rpms on the throws - everything was just clockwork.

I'd imagine you'll see the same with all the truly great pure passers. Rodgers won't have that because he's from that Tarkenton, Young, Gannon school of ugly but effective.

Nick Foles ain't gonna be from that school, no matter how many gifs you see of him running about. There's innate athleticism in guys like that that Foles doesn't have. I mean shit, Clay's first gif shows him awkwardly flipping over his own head and losing the football. The guy isn't the natural athlete that you need to be to succeed with erratic mechanics.
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I direct you back to the Drew Brees sports science.

That guy's ability to replicate his delivery down to the millimeter throw after throw after throw is one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. The release angle out of his hand, the rpms on the throws - everything was just clockwork.

I'd imagine you'll see the same with all the truly great pure passers. Rodgers won't have that because he's from that Tarkenton, Young, Gannon school of ugly but effective.

Nick Foles ain't gonna be from that school, no matter how many gifs you see of him running about. There's innate athleticism in guys like that that Foles doesn't have. I mean shit, Clay's first gif shows him awkwardly flipping over his own head and losing the football. The guy isn't the natural athlete that you need to be to succeed with erratic mechanics.
Yeah, it really was.

It's why I've always enjoyed watching Brady. HIS delivery, mechanics, everything is always in sync.

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Nick Foles ain't gonna be from that school, no matter how many gifs you see of him running about. There's innate athleticism in guys like that that Foles doesn't have.
He had over 200 yards rushing in 2013. Which is a hell of a lot more than Alex is going to have this year.

You were talking like Foles was Drew Bledsoe. He's not close.
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How the **** is this my misunderstanding?

And you seem to be one of them.
I can tell you that I am not "one of them."

as for the rest, I tried.. We'll just let it go. Not worth the further time spent.
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He's talking about athleticism over correcting throwing mechanics or moreso, throwing from different angles and being able to be accurate.
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The 20 yarder to Conley wasn't good. The 5 yarder to Harris wasn't good. The flat out whiff to West wasn't good. He was behind on a couple of other crossing routes though I don't recall where he was going with those.
Anyone got the A22 of these?

Lets gif them all up...

I think west slipped on that play, personally..at least thats what it looked like live to me. West is a fast mother****er...if he didnt slip on that play I think it wouldve been OK. But i could be wrong.

The other two I would need to look at again, and would love to if someone can post up the A22
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