Phillip Gaines

[Chiefshrink]

I haven't had a chance to thoroughly watch the first 3 pre-season games but did watch all of the GB game. Gaines played horrible against 2nd and 3rd string offenses of GB. Has he played this bad all pre-season ? What is your take on the kid so far ?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

So, let me see if I understand.

Malcolm Bronson is a FS with the ability to cover in nickel, but it was the right decision to release him and hang on to Sorensen, who is a strong safety with some potential, though no one here has actually any evidence of that potential.

If the guy had potential then why is nobody else taking a crack at him?

I don't know who is better than the other. I think it's silly to compare apples to apples one guy who has had a full year to learn the defense and another guy who has been with the team for 2 months. And to suggest that preseason reps are the only thing important for showing potential. Maybe the team liked what they saw on college film, they liked what he showed in the film room, they liked what they saw in the countless hours of practice that we didn't see. When we're talking about rookies, those are hella more important than preseason snaps. Knile Davis was a complete disaster last year's preseason. Countless others were too.

On the other hand, we just signed a vet to play the role that Bronson would have played in this defense, and he Bronson actually displayed potential, and the vet has a history of suck.

Just love the consistency.

Different reasons. Just a few days ago, we complained that we don't have enough safeties who are NFL ready. Coleman is more NFL ready than both Sorensen and Bronson. We need a guy who can plug in and play right away. Despite how Bronson looked against scrubs, I would be surprised if he's going to play any better than a veteran like Coleman. Again, if we're talking about cutting a guy everyone is hyped about, great. The only people who seem to care are Chiefs' fans, most of whom probably never heard of or cared about the guy until he played in meaningless exhibition games.

[OldSchool]

Maybe they caught Bronson banging Clark Hunt's wife?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If the guy had potential then why is nobody else taking a crack at him?

I don't know who is better than the other. I think it's silly to compare apples to apples one guy who has had a full year to learn the defense and another guy who has been with the team for 2 months. And to suggest that preseason reps are the only thing important for showing potential. Maybe the team liked what they saw on college film, they liked what he showed in the film room, they liked what they saw in the countless hours of practice that we didn't see. When we're talking about rookies, those are hella more important than preseason snaps. Knile Davis was a complete disaster last year's preseason. Countless others were too.


Different reasons. Just a few days ago, we complained that we don't have enough safeties who are NFL ready. Coleman is more NFL ready than both Sorensen and Bronson. We need a guy who can plug in and play right away. Despite how Bronson looked against scrubs, I would be surprised if he's going to play any better than a veteran like Coleman. Again, if we're talking about cutting a guy everyone is hyped about, great. The only people who seem to care are Chiefs' fans, most of whom probably never heard of or cared about the guy until he played in meaningless exhibition games.

Jerrod McMillan is more NFL ready than Daniel Sorensen.

You can't sell shit both ways.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

Jerrod McMillan is more NFL ready than Daniel Sorensen.

You can't sell shit both ways.

Jerrod McMillan isn't ready to be in the starting lineup if the situation calls for it. Not ready to play the Demps role. Sorensen isn't. Bronson isn't. Coleman may not be good but he can do that right away and he costs nothing.

It's not like Coleman was picked over Bronson. Coleman was brought in as a guy they can plug in right away. Sorensen was competing with Bronson for the guy they thought they could develop. Maybe they could have kept two but you're talking about two guys at Safety who probably would never see the field this year.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Jerrod McMillan isn't ready to be in the starting lineup if the situation calls for it. Not ready to play the Demps role. Sorensen isn't. Bronson isn't. Coleman may not be good but he can do that right away and he costs nothing.

It's not like Coleman was picked over Bronson. Coleman was brought in as a guy they can plug in right away. Sorensen was competing with Bronson for the guy they thought they could develop. Maybe they could have kept two but you're talking about two guys at Safety who probably would never see the field this year.

You are one two sides of an ass talking mother****er.

You have an answer for everything, and every ****ing answer is wrong.

McMillan was competing for the same postion that Sorenson was, and he isn't good at it, but he's a damn sight better than Sorensen is right now, and he's a shit ton better than Coleman is at his job.

You just love the rainbows and lollipops the Chiefs just shove up your asshole.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's preseason games. I would hope that what's more important is your college scouting report, college game film, what you see on the practice field, and what you see potential-wise. If Bronson was a surefire gamer, that's fine. But nobody is picking him up off waivers even though he's young, cheap, and apparently flashed potential. This is just an example of people taking way too much stock in limited preseason snaps to evaluate young talent.

In the end, it's a JAG over a JAG. It's not even like we're talking about the regular season. We're talking about the preseason. I don't think Sorensen will amount to much but let's at least wait until the regular season to see what we have.

This is the dumbest argument and you keep making it.

NONE of our cuts have been picked up by other teams. Just b/c they aren't good enough for any other team doesn't mean they weren't good enough to make this shit show. There are players on or 53 who would be unemployed this year if it weren't for us. Sorensen was HORRENDOUS.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by milkman

You are one two sides of an ass talking mother****er.

You have an answer for everything, and every ****ing answer is wrong.

McMillan was competing for the same postion that Sorenson was, and he isn't good at it, but he's a damn sight better than Sorensen is right now, and he's a shit ton better than Coleman is at his job.

You just love the rainbows and lollipops the Chiefs just shove up your asshole.

Will lollipops fit up a total true fans asshole though? That's the real question here.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Sorenson is the equivalent of a bag of smashed assholes. No one wants him.

It's the internet. There's bound to be people who would want bags of smashed assholes.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

You are one two sides of an ass talking mother****er.

You have an answer for everything, and every ****ing answer is wrong.

McMillan was competing for the same postion that Sorenson was, and he isn't good at it, but he's a damn sight better than Sorensen is right now, and he's a shit ton better than Coleman is at his job.

You just love the rainbows and lollipops the Chiefs just shove up your asshole.

Holy ****ing shit. I have never seen a bunch of people so riled up over signing and keeping guys who cost NOTHING. Who were picked over guys who aren't getting picked up and are probably terrible. Sorensen, Coleman, McCray, Bronson, McMillan... all these guys are scrubs.

Yet it's being hung up as the poster child of terrible moves made by the Chiefs.

It just shows that people want to bitch for the sake of bitching. Malcolm Bronson isn't signing anywhere. He easily cleared waivers. It's not like we're missing out on some magical player and 99% sure if he's any better than Sorensen or Coleman or McCray, it's because he sucks less but he still sucks. And it's just as funny hearing so many people riled up about Coleman when the majority of us have not paid attention to him for a single snap.

I am not farting sunshine. I have said repeatedly I don't think much of Sorensen. I don't see Coleman sticking around long. I'm just laughing at the pettiness that this board is so pissed off about keeping a guy who probably is going to suck instead of keeping a guy who is probably going to suck.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by aturnis

This is the dumbest argument and you keep making it.

NONE of our cuts have been picked up by other teams. Just b/c they aren't good enough for any other team doesn't mean they weren't good enough to make this shit show. There are players on or 53 who would be unemployed this year if it weren't for us. Sorensen was HORRENDOUS.

Which would be fine, except that people are talking about keeping Bronson because of "potential."

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Which would be fine, except that people are talking about keeping Bronson because of "potential."

No, we want to keep Bronson over Sorensen because Bronson actually made some plays and showed that his instincts and aggressiveness translated from his college game to the NFL.

Sorensen, on the other hand, only showed that he was very easy to pick on in coverage and also a complete non-factor against the run. He looked like he didn't belong on any NFL roster. He looked like a random guy who was picked up off of the streets who could run reasonably fast, played a lot of Madden, and was asked to sub in for a few games. That's not a good thing.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Holy ****ing shit. I have never seen a bunch of people so riled up over signing and keeping guys who cost NOTHING. Who were picked over guys who aren't getting picked up and are probably terrible. Sorensen, Coleman, McCray, Bronson, McMillan... all these guys are scrubs.

Yet it's being hung up as the poster child of terrible moves made by the Chiefs.

It just shows that people want to bitch for the sake of bitching. Malcolm Bronson isn't signing anywhere. He easily cleared waivers. It's not like we're missing out on some magical player and 99% sure if he's any better than Sorensen or Coleman or McCray, it's because he sucks less but he still sucks. And it's just as funny hearing so many people riled up about Coleman when the majority of us have not paid attention to him for a single snap.

I am not farting sunshine. I have said repeatedly I don't think much of Sorensen. I don't see Coleman sticking around long. I'm just laughing at the pettiness that this board is so pissed off about keeping a guy who probably is going to suck instead of keeping a guy who is probably going to suck.

It's not about Bronson v. Sorenson, McMillan v. Coleman.

It's about this brilliant ****ing plan you think they are implementing v. an actual good plan.

You think they are making some smart decisions.

We think both they, and you, are completely ****ed up dipshits.

This plan you think they have working will have them competing in 5 years, except it won't, because by that time they'll need a QB, and replacements for the players they think they're building around.

[ThaVirus]

I'm not bitching just to bitch. I'm actually a Titans loss away from tuning the whole season out.

I just really, really don't like Sorenson. He sucks.

[keg in kc]

Knew he was a project when we took him. And think that's fine for the range he was drafted. Still disappointed but not at all surprised by his performance so far, and expect a lot in the future. The draft is not for instant gratification, as much as we want it to be. Building for now and later both, and sometimes it's okay for now to take a back seat.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

It's not about Bronson v. Sorenson, McMillan v. Coleman.

It's about this brilliant ****ing plan you think they are implementing v. an actual good plan.

You think they are making some smart decisions.

We think both they, and you, are completely ****ed up dipshits.

This plan you think they have working will have them competing in 5 years, except it won't, because by that time they'll need a QB, and replacements for the players they think they're building around.

I have never said the plan was brilliant. I said they are taking the approach but Dorsey has a ton to prove with his draft picks and I'm skeptical about how they will turn out. But it starts by not placing such a ridiculous expectation on an undrafted rookie that we decide his ceiling in his first ****ing preseason. As I said, I don't think Sorenson will amount to anything. I don't think Bronson will either.

I have said many times I think Dorsey whiffed on 2013 including the draft and that he needs to be nails with this year's and next year's draft picks to work out. I'm worried they won't. As I've said a million times, this year's approach was the right one. The execution is another thing. But if we are revolving around the draft, let's start first with cutting out this ridiculous ideas that all rookies have to be quality starters by game 1.