****The Official NEW new new conference realignment & shit talk thread****

[Saul Good]

Let's do it.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by kchero

Alot of shit talk for a team that had a total of 0 draft picks this year and 0 invites to the combine. What is it with you both?... Move on... Did a Mizzou booster give your ladies facials years ago? Trollers gonna troll.

I got an email from KU. They said they took this year's NFL draft off because they're anticipating having their athletes go #1 and #2 in this year's NBA draft.

I guess they just don't want too much exposure.

[blake5676]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Alexander's career AV is 9 which isn't very good.

Justin Smith is at 125, Talib is at 35 and counting, Maclin 29, Moore 26, Aldon Smith 23, Harris is at 15, Anthony Collins 12. So Justin Smith is by far the most valuable Mizzou/KU player taken in the past 15 years and nobody else stands out.

Dana Stubblefield in the 1990s ended at 88 which indicates how long and steady Justin Smith has been. The rest of the MU players are mostly meh.

These are the accumlated career values of any "notable" MU/KU players currently playing in the NFL. I used PB's site and source.

Mizzou player in the NFL

Justin Smith: 125 (13 seasons)
Aldon Smith: 23 (2.5 seasons)
Jeremy Maclin: 29 (4 seasons)
Sean Weatherspoon: 23 (4 seasons)
Ziggy Hood: 28 (5 seasons)
William Moore: 26 (4 seasons)
Brad Smith: 20 (7 seasons, never a starter)
Sheldon Richardson: 6 (1 season)
Danario Alexander: 9 (has played in 28 games over 3 seasons, starting in 13 of them)

KU player in the NFL

Aqib Talib: 35 (6 seasons)
Anthony Collins: 13 (6 seasons)
Chris Harris: 15 (3 seasons)
Darrell Stuckey: 3 (4 seasons)
Steve Johnson: 1 (2 seasons)

I included Steve Johnson because Bambi like to use him as an example of how a KU player has been on a Super Bowl team. Steve Johnson was one of the main reasons the Broncos made the big game this year and the playoffs the year before, coming in with a 2 year total of SIX tackles.

Takeaways from the list (PB's source for value, not mine) would be that KU has two above average players in the NFL in Talib and Harris. That's it. Aldon Smith had more value in 1 season than Harris has had in his entire career thus far though, so let's keep that in perspective. Weatherspoon, Moore, Maclin and Hood have the same average value as your #1 savior Talib. When anyone with a brain looks at the numbers...it's easy to see this was just another lame attempt at complete BS from the two circle jerk twins.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Don't know what you're talking about, I posted his value score. It was the same as Chris Harris this year.

I'm guessing he was referencing your previous statement in the thread that Mizzou football in the Gary Pinkel era has made minimal impact in the NFL, propping J.Smith, while failing to mention Sheldon, as if you were implying that he doesn't have the ability to make a major impact in the NFL??

Let's consider Big Shell's potential: he was a 5 star prospect out of a High School, dominated the SEC in the one year he was there, was a Top 10 pick in the NFL draft and then preceded to win the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year in his first season of professional football . . . . as a Defensive Tackle.

I would think his major impact 'potential' at the pro level is looking better than most DT's that have come along in the last decade in the NFL.

To think that Aldon Smith is the only one that will be carrying the torch for Mizzou after J.Smith retires is beyond idiotic . . . .


Correction: Sheldon was pick #13, not #10 in last years draft.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by Bambi

I got an email from KU. They said they took this year's NFL draft off because they're anticipating having their athletes go #1 and #2 in this year's NBA draft.

I guess they just don't want too much exposure.

On the plus side, they got to hang another Big 12-4+2 banner for all their trouble, so it was totally worth it . . . .

[kcchiefsus]

Originally Posted by Bambi

I got an email from KU. They said they took this year's NFL draft off because they're anticipating having their athletes go #1 and #2 in this year's NBA draft.

I guess they just don't want too much exposure.

You realize this is a FOOTBALL board right? Basketball doesn't have the same weight around here as football. Nobody gives a shit about a couple of punks entering the NBA.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by blake5676

Takeaways from the list (PB's source for value, not mine) would be that KU has two above average players in the NFL in Talib and Harris. That's it. Aldon Smith had more value in 1 season than Harris has had in his entire career thus far though, so let's keep that in perspective.

The takeaway is that outside of Justin Smith (who wasn't even recruited by Pinkel to my knowledge), Mizzou has made zero impact on the NFL. Marginally better than what KU's put out. When you're having a discussion about NFL talent and you're marginally better than KU, you're not a football powerhouse. But you all knew that.

Weatherspoon, Moore, Maclin and Hood have the same average value as your #1 savior Talib.

No they don't, they're all lower.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

You realize this is a FOOTBALL board right? Basketball doesn't have the same weight around here as football. Nobody gives a shit about a couple of punks entering the NBA.

I know. Which is crazy since KU's focus is basketball and not football yet the impact by KU in the pros (more Hall of Famers, more Defensive POY's, current players on playoff rosters, etc) compares very favorably to the football powerhouse that is Missouri.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The takeaway is that outside of Justin Smith (who wasn't even recruited by Pinkel to my knowledge), Mizzou has made zero impact on the NFL. Marginally better than what KU's put out. When you're having a discussion about NFL talent and you're marginally better than KU, you're not a football powerhouse. But you all knew that.




No they don't, they're all lower.

Justin Smith was drafted in 2001. He's basically Dana Stubblefield without the accolades. He wasn't recruited by Pinkel.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by blake5676

These are the accumlated career values of any "notable" MU/KU players currently playing in the NFL. I used PB's site and source.

Mizzou player in the NFL

Justin Smith: 125 (13 seasons)
Aldon Smith: 23 (2.5 seasons)
Jeremy Maclin: 29 (4 seasons)
Sean Weatherspoon: 23 (4 seasons)
Ziggy Hood: 28 (5 seasons)
William Moore: 26 (4 seasons)
Brad Smith: 20 (7 seasons, never a starter)
Sheldon Richardson: 6 (1 season)
Danario Alexander: 9 (has played in 28 games over 3 seasons, starting in 13 of them)

KU player in the NFL

Aqib Talib: 35 (6 seasons)
Anthony Collins: 13 (6 seasons)
Chris Harris: 15 (3 seasons)
Darrell Stuckey: 3 (4 seasons)
Steve Johnson: 1 (2 seasons)

I included Steve Johnson because Bambi like to use him as an example of how a KU player has been on a Super Bowl team. Steve Johnson was one of the main reasons the Broncos made the big game this year and the playoffs the year before, coming in with a 2 year total of SIX tackles.

Takeaways from the list (PB's source for value, not mine) would be that KU has two above average players in the NFL in Talib and Harris. That's it. Aldon Smith had more value in 1 season than Harris has had in his entire career thus far though, so let's keep that in perspective. Weatherspoon, Moore, Maclin and Hood have the same average value as your #1 savior Talib. When anyone with a brain looks at the numbers...it's easy to see this was just another lame attempt at complete BS from the two circle jerk twins.

You forgot this...

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

I would think his major impact 'potential' at the pro level is looking better than most DT's that have come along in the last decade in the NFL.

DTs aren't all that valuable, sorry. Most of them are easily interchangeable with others. A CB is a more valuable position. That's probably why Richardson and Harris had the same AV (6) last year.

To think that Aldon Smith is the only one that will be carrying the torch for Mizzou after J.Smith retires is beyond idiotic . . . .

What's truly idiotic: not dealing with facts and data. I don't have any interest hearing baseless opinions about things, especially from Mizzou fans who are full of irrational & biased views. One loser even bragged about a Mizzou player who never even played in the NFL. "Just the facts, m'am."

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The takeaway is that outside of Justin Smith (who wasn't even recruited by Pinkel to my knowledge), Mizzou has made zero impact on the NFL.

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You. . . are . . . stupid.

[blake5676]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

The takeaway is that outside of Justin Smith (who wasn't even recruited by Pinkel to my knowledge), Mizzou has made zero impact on the NFL. Marginally better than what KU's put out. When you're having a discussion about NFL talent and you're marginally better than KU, you're not a football powerhouse. But you all knew that.




No they don't, they're all lower.

Let's do some math again, PB. Remember...I'm using your site that calculates player value.

Aqib Talib has a cumulative score of 35 over 6 seasons. 35/6= 5.83 avg

Weatherspoon 23 in 4 seasons. 23/4= 5.75 avg

Hood is 28 in 5 seasons. 28/5= 5.6 avg

Moore is 26 in 4 seasons 26/4= 6.5 avg

Maclin is 29 in 4 seasons 29/4= 7.25 avg


So, using YOUR values, Maclin>Moore>Talib>Weatherspoon>Hood. Am I wrong?

[kepp]

Originally Posted by blake5676

Let's do some math again, PB. Remember...I'm using your site that calculates player value.

Aqib Talib has a cumulative score of 35 over 6 seasons. 35/6= 5.83 avg

Weatherspoon 23 in 4 seasons. 23/4= 5.75 avg

Hood is 28 in 5 seasons. 28/5= 5.6 avg

Moore is 26 in 4 seasons 26/4= 6.5 avg

Maclin is 29 in 4 seasons 29/4= 7.25 avg


So, using YOUR values, Maclin>Moore>Talib>Weatherspoon>Hood. Am I wrong?

I'm sure you will be after he spins those numbers through his Vitamix.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

DTs aren't all that valuable, sorry. Most of them are easily interchangeable with others. A CB is a more valuable position. That's probably why Richardson and Harris had the same AV (6) last year.

So you would say the Chiefs were not better off with the emergence of Dontari Poe last year and would have been just as well served with, say, Jerrell Powe, in the middle of their defensive line?


What's truly idiotic: not dealing with facts and data. I don't have any interest hearing baseless opinions about things, especially from Mizzou fans who are full of irrational & biased views. One loser even bragged about a Mizzou player who never even played in the NFL. "Just the facts, m'am."

Deflect, Deflect, Deflect . . . . thanks for addressing the statement directly and not completely ignoring the content of the post

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by Bambi

Welp. Playa gonna play

So it's acceptable if you KU's 'playas' play, but not Mizzou?

Got it.

No hypocrisy there at all . . . .