Alex Smith = Playmaker

[BossChief]

Just an amazing job in this first half of football to weather the storm of losing Charles and stepping his game up to a level many of us thought we would never see.

Worth every penny of 2 second round picks.

If they give him an extension next week, I'm ok with it.

PLAYMAKER

[The Bad Guy]

They have to come out of this first round with either a dynamic TE or a WR. Jordan Matthews would be nice.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

Err is this a reference to Vernon Davis? Physical freaks like that only come by every few years and they go in the top 10..

No.

Its a reference to Alex's entire career.

Alex favors short and middle. Charles was the Chiefs #1 receiver by a long shot.

[Ragged Robin]

Originally Posted by jd1020

No.

Its a reference to Alex's entire career.

Alex favors short and middle. Charles was the Chiefs #1 receiver by a long shot.

He's only played two years including this year WITHOUT Vernon Davis. The last time he was in the playoffs Frank Gore only had 17 total catches that year. Charles being the #1 in receptions is a function of Andy's WCO and lack of big time wideouts.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Dorsey didn't ignore the safety position. He signed players in Abdullah, Demps and drafted Commings to be a rotational safety.

He didn't ignore the position - at all.

No, he didn't. Just none of these guys are the answer, unfortunately. But you are right, he did not ignore the position.

It's still a position that needs to be addressed, unfortunately. But I give Dorsey credit for addressing it this year, even though it didn't work out.

Hopefully Dorsey/Reid will be smart enough to know that Lewis isn't the answer and he should not be resigned or released.

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

The problem is that Avery is completely expendable and Jenkins has the exact same skillset as what Avery brings to the table. He also has a higher ceiling as he's still a really young player.



Err is this a reference to Vernon Davis? Physical freaks like that only come by every few years and they go in the top 10..

Jenkins has a higher ceiling because he's younger? Jenkins hasn't shown dick to say that he has a higher ceiling than what Avery has been in his career. In addition, Avery is a better overall receiver as of right now.

Do we need an upgrade at the position? Yes we do.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Only Saccopoo would disagree with that.

All you have to do is look at our TE's, look at who are QB is, and look at said QBs history on who he likes to throw to.

And Sacc is wrong. Alex loves his TE's, and to maximize Alex's strength is to find a TE that is considered "elite" or "game changing" TE.

Fasano is a solid TE, but only worth a lick on blocking. McGrath is a solid TE, but can't block, but is a solid pass catcher.

That makes KC somewhat predictable. Kelce being the next Tony Moeaki isn't helping matters either, and I didn't see anything during pre-season that impressed me.

TE needs to be addressed, along with the defensive side depth.

[Ragged Robin]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

Jenkins has a higher ceiling because he's younger? Jenkins hasn't shown dick to say that he has a higher ceiling than what Avery has been in his career. In addition, Avery is a better overall receiver as of right now.

Do we need an upgrade at the position? Yes we do.

He's a 2nd year player. Donnie Avery will be 30 years old next season. You're assuming that Jenkins never develops or gets any better when he hasn't even had an offseason with the team. Cutting Avery will give us cap space and Jenkins can easily fill his role. Avery has been a nice addition but he is utterly expendable.

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

He's a 2nd year player. Donnie Avery will be 30 years old next season. You're assuming that Jenkins never develops. Cutting Avery will give us cap space and Jenkins can easily fill his role. Avery has been a nice addition but he is utterly expendable.

You are also assuming that Jenkins develops into a better receiver and route runner than Avery. Because that would be the ONLY reason to cut Avery in favor of Jenkins. Cutting Avery saves pennies quite literally.

When has Jenkins showed up more than a few times a game if at all? Where do you see this talent in Jenkins other than speed?

[laughsatyou907]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

Jenkins has a higher ceiling because he's younger? Jenkins hasn't shown dick to say that he has a higher ceiling than what Avery has been in his career. In addition, Avery is a better overall receiver as of right now.

Do we need an upgrade at the position? Yes we do.

Some people think that draft position dictates a players potential. You'd think of over 50 years they would realize that the draft is a crapshoot.

[Ragged Robin]

Originally Posted by MeatRock

You are also assuming that Jenkins develops into a better receiver and route runner than Avery. Because that would be the ONLY reason to cut Avery in favor of Jenkins. Cutting Avery saves pennies quite literally.

When has Jenkins showed up more than a few times a game if at all? Where do you see this talent in Jenkins other than speed?

Jesus. I'm not saying he's worth a damn at all. You make it sound like Avery is actually a key player on this team :: Neither of them have any business starting, but with a full offseason with the team Jenkins can fill Avery's role as a smallish speed guy who can run crossing routes and run down the field. He at least HASN'T shown that he can drop as many balls as Avery can in his short amount of play time.

[Param]

Chiefs ain't winning a SB with a game manager.

[JakeLV]

Originally Posted by Param

Chiefs ain't winning a SB with a game manager.

I didn't see one today... did you?

[laughsatyou907]

Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

Jesus. I'm not saying he's worth a damn at all. You make it sound like Avery is actually a key player on this team :: Neither of them have any business starting, but with a full offseason with the team Jenkins can fill Avery's role as a smallish speed guy who can run crossing routes and run down the field. He at least HASN'T shown that he can drop as many balls as Avery can in his short amount of play time.

I think that Jenkins has potential, but I am not getting my hopes up. I won't pre-judge him, he came in midseason and had to learn a totally new NFL playbook his rookie year. If he is not productive next year, then he will be on the chopping block. Just because you recognize a weakness, doesn't mean that there is an answer, most of the time you have to work with what you have. That is where scheme, dedication, and preparation become useful.

[MeatRock]

Originally Posted by Ragged Robin

Jesus. I'm not saying he's worth a damn at all. You make it sound like Avery is actually a key player on this team :: Neither of them have any business starting, but with a full offseason with the team Jenkins can fill Avery's role as a smallish speed guy who can run crossing routes and run down the field. He at least HASN'T shown that he can drop as many balls as Avery can in his short amount of play time.

Show me where i said that Avery is a key player on this team? Did i not state that an upgrade is needed? JFC people it's not hard to read a response.
You're right about one thing though, Jenkins hasn't shown jack shit.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by JakeLV

I didn't see one today... did you?

How many points were scored in the second half that didn't come off a turnover.