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Old 04-09-2012, 06:31 PM  
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Late night bullshit: The Alternate Route
I know it's not a late night yet but whatever.

I think one of the things we picked up from the Bengals this past year is that if you don't have a "The Guy" for your chasm-wide QB hole in the first round, taking a second-rounder that you fully believe in can produce fairly successful results.

Say what you will, but right now Andy Dalton is riding a wave of goodwill. With a shit run game and only one receiver (two if you count Gresham), he put in a good season as The Guy.

He worked harder than everybody, proved to be smarter than all of his rookie QB colleagues, and hit the gym immediately to build and NFL body.

Now he heads into this season, with two first-rounders the Bengals could use to fortify his weaponry.

I think this has a valuable lesson: a second-rounder you fully believe in is usually as good as a first round prospect.

Don't take that the wrong way. Elite talent at the QB position is the way to go -- but spending that first rounder on a death plunge of a developmental QB is no better than spending it on a second-rounder you believe can win in this league, and fits every ounce of criteria that you love in a prospect.

Meanwhile, the Chiefs still need to fortify that defensive line once and for all. The quarterback and the defensive line must be settled for the next few years if the Chiefs are going to win in the postseason for years to come.

So, ladies and gentleman, I present to you: The Alternate Route.

Instead of investing everywhere but the QB in 2012, and hope we can get the QB we want in the QB-rich 1st round in 2013 (when we'll probably be drafting in the low- to mid-twenties), how about we take the current course of action:

2012 1st rounder: invest in Brockers, Still, and/or Cox, whichever five tech Pioli & company thinks is the best ten year starter.

2012 2nd rounder (or trade up to the bottom of the 1st if need be): QB Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State

I know we hate the idea of his age, blah blah. But he's a year younger than Cassel, and about as NFL ready as Cassel is. Let's take a guy who can ascend, go through progressions, have that killer instinct, have multiple-year experience as being The Guy in the locker room, with an incredible arm (best in the draft), and fearless in the face of the passrush.

Weeden has some footwork issues, but his throwing motion is flawless (former Yankees pitcher). He's also a team captain with "plus plus" intangibles. He out-dueled every single elite prospect this year: Luck, RG3, Tannehill. And he plays better when the stakes are high.

Best of all: he is an incredibly hard worker. Which will be needed if he wants to transition seamlessly to an NFL offense, and build an NFL frame (he's a light 6'4, 215 lbs).

2013 1st rounder: there will be three NTs with first round grades coming out in 2013.

Johnathon Hankins, Ohio State -- Absolute animal with some passrushing ability. Top 10 pick?
Star Lotulelei, Utah -- Very Chiefs-friendly. High character, popular with teammates, astronomical upside.
Kwame Geathers, Georgia -- Massive mountain of a man (6'6, 350 lbs), experience as 3-4 nose.

Ladies and gentleman:

QB and DL have been fixed in two years with minimal transition.

Weeden gives us his rookie contract and a short second contract while we continue to build for the future and continue taking stabs at QBs in future drafts.

Our DL is massive: Brockers/Lotulelei/Jackson. Powerful run stuffers across the board, with some shake and bake on passing downs with Bailey and Gilberry.

I can feel you all beaming with pride about how much you love this idea.

Let me shower in your praise.

I will accept the Key to ChiefsPlanet should you all feel so inclined.

OHHH OHHH

I forgot the best part: Drafting Weeden, with a perfect backup in Quinn already on hand, and a developmental guy in Stanzi..........





















......allows us to cut Cassel. And invest fully in Weeden.
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:34 PM
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:35 PM   #2
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What makes you think Weeden is good enough to play like Andy Dalton in his rookie year? He needs just as much coaching and tuning as guys like Tannehill and Foles.

Besides that, I wouldn't trust this coaching staff to start Weeden even if he was ready.
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:37 PM   #3
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I think you just have your normal draft, grab this guy in the third or fourth, and see what happens.
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:37 PM   #4
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Pass on Weeden. He's too old.
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:37 PM   #5
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What makes you think Weeden is good enough to play like Andy Dalton in his rookie year? He needs just as much coaching and tuning as guys like Tannehill and Foles.

Besides that, I wouldn't trust this coaching staff to start Weeden even if he was ready.
It's a long shot, I know.

But I love Weeden. I think he's the third-best QB in this draft. I've been sour on RG3, too, so in my fallible mind he may be the second best.

Think of all the things Pioli & company love in a QB, SNR.

Weeden virtually identifies with all criteria.
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:38 PM   #6
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Pass on Weeden. He's too old.
Ever see (or read) "Moneyball"?

(I'm asking for a reason.)
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:42 PM   #7
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Ever see (or read) "Moneyball"?

(I'm asking for a reason.)
Yeah, loved it. I'm not building around a guy that's one of the older on the team as a rookie.

I would have drafted Dalton last year in a heartbeat, but he's not 29.
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:43 PM   #8
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Think of all the things Pioli & company love in a QB, SNR.

Weeden virtually identifies with all criteria.
A guy drafted in the 6th round or later with a goofy boyish smile whose every response in a press conference begins with, "That's a good question"

Found your guy:

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Old 04-09-2012, 06:47 PM   #10
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Yeah, loved it.
Perfect.

When it comes to the draft, teams like the Chiefs (draftwise) are a lot like teams like the A's (financially).

When it comes to baseball finances, other teams like the Red Sox and the Tigers can spend gagillions when you can only spend dimes.

When it comes to football drafting, other teams get to draft high when the elite QB talent comes around, whereas we're stuck in the mid- and low-end of the round.

So you have to compromise your lofty ideals to land otherwise-perfectly-fine prospects who are simply graded lower because of certain prejudices against them. Past injury, character issues, age.

Take Weeden's age down even something modest like five years.

Is there no doubt that a 24 year old Brandon Weeden would be a first round pick in the NFL Draft?

There is no doubt.

So teams in our position can compromise our ideals if it means landing a player who, besides his age, is damn near everything you want in a first-round prospect.
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A guy drafted in the 6th round or later with a goofy boyish smile whose every response in a press conference begins with, "That's a good question"

Found your guy:
I know you're just being a smartass.

I'm not.

Crack open "The Patriot Way," and read about QBs.
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Before we draft another late round QB, I would love to see what Stanzi can do. If he ain't got it, let's move on from him but at least fish or cut bait
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Thats what I don't really get.


All these second tier qbs that we are likely to draft don't really seem to be much better than what Stanzi could bring to the table.
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Old 04-09-2012, 06:56 PM   #15
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Thats what I don't really get.

All these second tier qbs that we are likely to draft don't really seem to be much better than what Stanzi could bring to the table.
I would say that's wrong, but I'm a Weeden homer.

First round talent, sucky age.
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