Chiefs This offense shouldn't be too hard to fix

**RealSNR** · 09-16-2008, 11:56 AM

The only thing that really needs fixing is Herm. If these guys play together for long enough, they'll get used to the new feel.

Let me back up a bit.

Remember Gunther's 2nd year as head coach? The first year was all about stubbornly running the football 30,000 times per game with the "Dreamteam" backfield of Rashaan Sheehee, Mike Cloud, and Bam Morris.

Offensive production was absolutely pathetic for the most part in some games. Teams stacked 8 men in the box like they do now because they knew all we would do was run another damned draw play. However, this was also the year that we REALLY discovered what a gem we had in Tony Gonzalez. In Gun's 2nd year, this would only get better.

By the 2nd year, our backfield arguably got worse at the beginning of the season, and the great offensive genious that was Jimmy Raye still had us playing predictable football. It was that Rams game that really turned everything around for us. Then we played the Rams and a change happened. We stretched the field. Derrick Alexander turned into a big-play receiver. Kevin Lockett was an okay slot guy. Tony started the trend of big-play TEs in the league again. All because we started passing more. The running attack continued to die, but we were having A LOT of success throwing the ball and stretching defenses under a knucklehead Elvis Grbac.

Croyle has the arm and he's got the accuracy to lead this team. We need to start taking downfield shots. The only way we got back to running the ball was after we had success chucking it deep. And the only way we had success chucking it deep was if we made several attempts per game. It eventually worked.

We can do this. The problem obviously is Herm's unwillingness to leave the 15-yard zone in front of the offense. It's like if a big play develops outside of that zone, we've become finesse. That's not it at all. I wouldn't call the offense under Jimmy Raye and Gunther Cunningham finesse at all. It was still just as big, dumb, and ugly as ever. But it was EFFECTIVE, and if Gunther weren't so stupid and if the defense weren't already in decline, that would have been a good football team.

What do you think?

Demonpenz · 09-16-2008, 11:57 AM

So far I think we have used cottam well atleast

Hoover · 09-16-2008, 12:01 PM

We just need a real NFL QB and we will be OK.

Pass some on 1st down.

Spread the field and give the ball to LJ.

PLAY ACTION

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-16-2008, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover

We just need a real NFL QB and we will be OK.

Pass some on 1st down.

Spread the field and give the ball to LJ.

PLAY ACTION

And a young, legitimate right guard and right tackle.

Chief Faithful · 09-16-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And a young, legitimate right guard and right tackle.

JohnnyV13 · 09-16-2008, 12:12 PM

Gunther's Chiefs also had Grunhard, Szott,Shields and John Tait.

They did not have a disaster like Damion McIntosh at RT.

Pitt Gorilla · 09-16-2008, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover

We just need a real NFL QB and we will be OK.

Pass some on 1st down.

Spread the field and give the ball to LJ.

PLAY ACTION

I realize that this isn't a popular opinion, but I like Croyle as our QB. If we can develop a right side of the O-line to protect him, I think he'd be fine.

ChiefsCountry · 09-16-2008, 12:18 PM

Watching the Cowboys last night, we have some of the pieces that they do in young talent.

Bowe - TO
Charles - Felix Jones
Cottam - Whitten (I know he isnt quite the pass catcher but few are)
Albert - Flozzel Adams

We need Croyle to morph into Romo or find Romo in the draft. I think his clone is Oklahoma's Sam Bradford. A Barber type would be nice as well. We are getting closer - Hermie's offense isnt going to cut it but talent wise we are getting there.

**The Franchise** · 09-16-2008, 12:20 PM

Shit....we need a QB, LG, RG and RT. Waters is almost done and probably won't want to stick around if this rebuilding takes as long as it looks like it will.

ChiefsOne · 09-16-2008, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover

We just need a real NFL QB and we will be OK.

Pass some on 1st down.

Spread the field and give the ball to LJ.

PLAY ACTION

Croyle is not top notch, but he is or at least can be pretty decent. The problem is the line, either not enough talent or not gelled yet. The D is not near as good as I figured it would be at this point, thought it was on the up swing, but after yesterday who the hell knows.

Chief Faithful · 09-16-2008, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I realize that this isn't a popular opinion, but I like Croyle as our QB. If we can develop a right side of the O-line to protect him, I think he'd be fine.

I also like Croyle, but as long as you have Croyle you need a capable reliable backup. Hutard and Pigpen do not qualify.

Offseason Chiefs have to address RG, QB, DE & MLB. If they don't start playing Taylor or Richardson at RT this season then add RT to the list.

**KC Dan** · 09-16-2008, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsOne

Croyle is not top notch, but he is or at least can be pretty decent. The problem is the line, either not enough talent or not gelled yet. The D is not near as good as I figured it would be at this point, thought it was on the up swing, but after yesterday who the hell knows.

No, Croyle is done. He cannot stay healthy and is not a Pro QB. We can all keep hoping that he will stay healthy and develop but hope in one hand, _____ in the other. He just isn't it. We need another QB and trading LJ may be the way to make that happen. It ain't happening now...

picasso · 09-16-2008, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Dan

No, Croyle is done. He cannot stay healthy and is not a Pro QB. We can all keep hoping that he will stay healthy and develop but hope in one hand, _____ in the other. He just isn't it. We need another QB and trading LJ may be the way to make that happen. It ain't happening now...

Exactly!

Micjones · 09-16-2008, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Watching the Cowboys last night, we have some of the pieces that they do in young talent.

Bowe - TO
Charles - Felix Jones
Cottam - Whitten (I know he isnt quite the pass catcher but few are)
Albert - Flozzel Adams

We need Croyle to morph into Romo or find Romo in the draft. I think his clone is Oklahoma's Sam Bradford. A Barber type would be nice as well. We are getting closer - Hermie's offense isnt going to cut it but talent wise we are getting there.

I'm a big fan of Bowe's, but he doesn't even begin to compare with TO.
Neither is Albert comparable to Adams.

We have some young talent, but without a Tony Romo...
We're in trouble.

ChiefsCountry · 09-16-2008, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micjones

I'm a big fan of Bowe's, but he doesn't even begin to compare with TO.
Neither is Albert comparable to Adams.

We have some young talent, but without a Tony Romo...
We're in trouble.

Your looking at them today, look at what they have the potential to be.

09-16-2008, 11:56 AM
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1314792	This offense shouldn't be too hard to fix The only thing that really needs fixing is Herm. If these guys play together for long enough, they'll get used to the new feel. Let me back up a bit. Remember Gunther's 2nd year as head coach? The first year was all about stubbornly running the football 30,000 times per game with the "Dreamteam" backfield of Rashaan Sheehee, Mike Cloud, and Bam Morris. Offensive production was absolutely pathetic for the most part in some games. Teams stacked 8 men in the box like they do now because they knew all we would do was run another damned draw play. However, this was also the year that we REALLY discovered what a gem we had in Tony Gonzalez. In Gun's 2nd year, this would only get better. By the 2nd year, our backfield arguably got worse at the beginning of the season, and the great offensive genious that was Jimmy Raye still had us playing predictable football. It was that Rams game that really turned everything around for us. Then we played the Rams and a change happened. We stretched the field. Derrick Alexander turned into a big-play receiver. Kevin Lockett was an okay slot guy. Tony started the trend of big-play TEs in the league again. All because we started passing more. The running attack continued to die, but we were having A LOT of success throwing the ball and stretching defenses under a knucklehead Elvis Grbac. Croyle has the arm and he's got the accuracy to lead this team. We need to start taking downfield shots. The only way we got back to running the ball was after we had success chucking it deep. And the only way we had success chucking it deep was if we made several attempts per game. It eventually worked. We can do this. The problem obviously is Herm's unwillingness to leave the 15-yard zone in front of the offense. It's like if a big play develops outside of that zone, we've become finesse. That's not it at all. I wouldn't call the offense under Jimmy Raye and Gunther Cunningham finesse at all. It was still just as big, dumb, and ugly as ever. But it was EFFECTIVE, and if Gunther weren't so stupid and if the defense weren't already in decline, that would have been a good football team. What do you think?
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09-16-2008, 11:57 AM	#2
Demonpenz Woman should only make babies Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Apartment "G UNIT!" Casino cash: $-203864	So far I think we have used cottam well atleast __________________
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09-16-2008, 12:01 PM	#3
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-1951821	We just need a real NFL QB and we will be OK. Pass some on 1st down. Spread the field and give the ball to LJ. PLAY ACTION
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09-16-2008, 12:12 PM	#6
JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $5405200	Gunther's Chiefs also had Grunhard, Szott,Shields and John Tait. They did not have a disaster like Damion McIntosh at RT.
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09-16-2008, 12:18 PM	#8
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1371248	Watching the Cowboys last night, we have some of the pieces that they do in young talent. Bowe - TO Charles - Felix Jones Cottam - Whitten (I know he isnt quite the pass catcher but few are) Albert - Flozzel Adams We need Croyle to morph into Romo or find Romo in the draft. I think his clone is Oklahoma's Sam Bradford. A Barber type would be nice as well. We are getting closer - Hermie's offense isnt going to cut it but talent wise we are getting there.
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09-16-2008, 12:20 PM	#9
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2085047	Shit....we need a QB, LG, RG and RT. Waters is almost done and probably won't want to stick around if this rebuilding takes as long as it looks like it will.
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