5th year options

[Direckshun]

Here's a list of players who have had their 5th options exercised and turned down.

1. Bengals: QB Joe Burrow
2. Commanders: DE Chase Young
3. Lions: CB Jeff Okudah (ineligible)
4. Giants: OT Andrew Thomas
5. Dolphins: QB Tua Tagovailoa
6. Chargers: QB Justin Herbert
7. Panthers: DT Derrick Brown
8. Cardinals: LB Isaiah Simmons
9. Jaguars: CB CJ Henderson
10. Browns: OT Jedrick Wills Jr.
11. Jets: OT Mekhi Becton
12. Raiders: WR Henry Ruggs (out of the league)
13. Buccaneers: OT Tristan Wirfs
14. 49ers: DT Javon Kinlaw
15. Broncos: WR Jerry Jeudy
16. Falcons: CB AJ Terrell
17. Cowboys: WR CeeDee Lamb
18. Dolphins: OT Austin Jackson
19. Raiders: CB Damon Arnette (out of the league)
20. Jaguars: DE K'Lavion Chaisson
21. Eagles: WR Jalen Reagor
22. Vikings: WR Justin Jefferson
23. Chargers: LB Kenneth Murray
24. Saints: C Cesar Ruiz
25. 49ers: WR Brandon Aiyuk
26. Packers: QB Jordan Love (signed extension)
27. Seahawks: LB Jordyn Brooks
28. Ravens: LB Patrick Queen
29. Titans: OT Isaiah Wilson (lmao)
30. Dolphins: CB Noah Igbinoghene
31. Vikings: CB Jeff Gladney (RIP)
32. Chiefs: RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire

[O.city]

If he shows he's back to form and the Commanders suck, I could see Young being a deadline pickup for someone needing pass rush.

[Direckshun]

I agree. Charles Robinson just reported that there's at least one team out there that's thirsty for him.

I could envision there being several.

[Direckshun]

I think the most surprising player that didn't live up to expectations was Kinlaw.

I was certain that guy was Chris Jones 2.0. Projecting defensive tackles is hard.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think the most surprising player that didn't live up to expectations was Kinlaw.

I was certain that guy was Chris Jones 2.0. Projecting defensive tackles is hard.

Rumors are his knee issue(s) are chronic.

He's simply never been healthy. He's shown flashes at times, but ultimately he appears to just be a brokedick.

Okudah is the really sore thumb here, IMO. A 3rd overall pick that got essentially dumped for a 3rd day pick. The Lions even ate some of his salary to move him.

There's not been much middle ground in this class, has there? Most of these guys have been excellent or complete crap. Or, y'know, dead or imprisoned. And really it's just a matter of time before Arnette (and probably Isaiah Wilson) ends up in one of those 2 categories as well.

That draft class is just a shit-show.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Rumors are his knee issue(s) are chronic.

He's simply never been healthy. He's shown flashes at times, but ultimately he appears to just be a brokedick.

Okudah is the really sore thumb here, IMO. A 3rd overall pick that got essentially dumped for a 3rd day pick. The Lions even ate some of his salary to move him.

There's not been much middle ground in this class, has there? Most of these guys have been excellent or complete crap. Or, y'know, dead or imprisoned. And really it's just a matter of time before Arnette (and probably Isaiah Wilson) ends up in one of those 2 categories as well.

That draft class is just a shit-show.

Defensive tackle is so damn hard. There's more obstacles, I would argue, to that group not working out than any other grouping other than QB.

If you have an attitude problem, you're a bust risk. Many of them aren't hard workers. Many of them are athletes but no technique. Many of them are too small or short or can't get pad levels right. Many of them are huge injury risks like all positions, but they play a position that, like RB, is designed by the other side of the ball to attach and punish physically.

Just a really hard position to get a feel for.

[JohnnyHammersticks]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think the most surprising player that didn't live up to expectations was Kinlaw.

I was certain that guy was Chris Jones 2.0. Projecting defensive tackles is hard.

If someone would've told me 4 years ago that both Isaiah Simmons and Kenneth Murray would have their 5th year options declined without it being due to serious injury I would've thought they were on acid.

[DJ's left nut]

That's why I got it wrong on Jones. Or at least didn't see him as a slam-dunk 1st round talent.

I saw him coast in college. DTs with motor issues scare the absolute hell out of me because so much of being successful in that position is being willing to get your ass kicked and keep coming.

Those guys just get beat up so much down there and they just have to keep going. And too many of them simply won't do it.

And that issue gets to all the rest of their game. They don't work on their technique or pad level because "Man, why bother - I'm just gonna get smoked by double teams anyway..."

That's why Jones is so special. Play after play he's out there hunting and when the double DOESN'T come or isn't as effective, he's ready to take advantage of the opportunity.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's why I got it wrong on Jones. Or at least didn't see him as a slam-dunk 1st round talent.

I saw him coast in college. DTs with motor issues scare the absolute hell out of me because so much of being successful in that position is being willing to get your ass kicked and keep coming.

Those guys just get beat up so much down there and they just have to keep going. And too many of them simply won't do it.

And that issue gets to all the rest of their game. They don't work on their technique or pad level because "Man, why bother - I'm just gonna get smoked by double teams anyway..."

That's why Jones is so special. Play after play he's out there hunting and when the double DOESN'T come or isn't as effective, he's ready to take advantage of the opportunity.

Completely agree. And even good DTs will disappear for games and when you get a bad game out of a DT, it really kills your squad. You're just flushing money down the toilet.

But he never has one. His games are all plus games.

He's just a special athlete and I can't help but plug the Chiefs to draft DT every year in the 1st to help him out, but the risks are just always going to be there.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Completely agree. And even good DTs will disappear for games and when you get a bad game out of a DT, it really kills your squad. You're just flushing money down the toilet.

But he never has one. His games are all plus games.

He's just a special athlete and I can't help but plug the Chiefs to draft DT every year in the 1st to help him out, but the risks are just always going to be there.

I'm probably not going 1st at DT often but it does make me wonder why it's such a devalued postion, or at least seems to be. I keep wanting us to approach it how we're approaching DBs and DEs - just throw numbers at it to make sure there's at least enough rotation.

The obvious answer is we, like a lot of teams, are loading up at DE and CB and so there's not the space for a collection of DTs. Maybe the other argument is just that BECAUSE the attrition rate is so high you're best going cheap FA. Maybe another factor is that because it's hard to draft, because there are so few quality pass-rushing DTs and fewer ways to win inside, it's a bigger gamble in the draft.

I dunno, I can talk myself into devaluing it, but then I think "quickest route to the QB" and see Jones' impact and it's hard not to imagine even just one other guy offering half of that, a quarter, whatever, and rotating in.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Completely agree. And even good DTs will disappear for games and when you get a bad game out of a DT, it really kills your squad. You're just flushing money down the toilet.

But he never has one. His games are all plus games.

He's just a special athlete and I can't help but plug the Chiefs to draft DT every year in the 1st to help him out, but the risks are just always going to be there.

You mention Kinlaw - if there's a 5th round pick sort of trade to be made for him, I'd make it.

Kinlaw just rotating in for Jones on a few downs/gm; lets say 15-20, would be a damn fascinating experiment. Especially if some of those downs have Jones at DE.

But ultimately I don't think the 49ers dislike the guy - he just can't stay healthy. And usually that means they'll keep him and hope he can stay on the field. It's the work ethic/scheme fit guys that typically get dumped. Kinlaw doesn't seem to present any of those problems.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You mention Kinlaw - if there's a 5th round pick sort of trade to be made for him, I'd make it.

Kinlaw just rotating in for Jones on a few downs/gm; lets say 15-20, would be a damn fascinating experiment. Especially if some of those downs have Jones at DE.

But ultimately I don't think the 49ers dislike the guy - he just can't stay healthy. And usually that means they'll keep him and hope he can stay on the field. It's the work ethic/scheme fit guys that typically get dumped. Kinlaw doesn't seem to present any of those problems.

I think they may have lost patience. Don't know if it's the injury but he's had a chance. That's a good coaching group and if they've not got anything from him I don't know if we will. I think he might just be a bust.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think the most surprising player that didn't live up to expectations was Kinlaw.

I was certain that guy was Chris Jones 2.0. Projecting defensive tackles is hard.

For me it's Patrick Queen.

I don't pay attention to Baltimore, because frankly I cannot stand to watch them play, but wasn't he ****ing good?

I remember he was a can't miss guy and had a good rookie year.

[Rain Man]

Man, that Raiders draft.