Chiefs We haven't argued in a while: nearly every Chiefs podcast is wrong, I think.

Direckshun · 03:01 PM

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Almost all the time I spend exercising or working alone or driving, I'm dialing up a Chiefs podcast. I listen to more than most: Time's Ours, Locked On, It's Always Sunny In Chiefs Kingdom, KCSN, 4th and 1, Arrowhead Addict, Arrowhead Pride, Roughing the Kicker. I don't catch all of it but I catch a lot of it.

And this past week, after breaking down the roster, several of these podcasts are, I think, overshooting what the '22 Chiefs may be capable of.

These podcasters -- with the lone exception of Nick Jacobs, whose opinions I find pretty "grounded" -- are all predicting a Super Bowl season. And while that's to be expected of Chiefs-friendly media, it sure as **** makes Chiefs Kingdom toxic by Week 10 as the Chiefs are, say, 5-4 and still trying to get their roster figured out. "We should be the go away favorites for the 1 seed!" we're all being primed to spout in November, when the Chiefs may be trying to just hold onto the AFCW. I just listened to three straight Chiefs podcasts predict the Super Bowl unanimously among their hosts, including KC Lab on KCSN, which is normally more grounded. Maybe Kissel's infected them, I don't know.

I appreciate optimism, but routinely predicting a 13-4 or 14-3 schedule against a bear of a calendar with a rookie secondary and a DL held together with scotch tape is irresponsible. Argue all you want that podcasts have no responsibility, and legally you're right. But if you want to be seen as credible, then c'mon now. Anchor yourselves.

I volunteer as tribute as the Chiefs fan on this board who thinks the Chiefs are going to be very, very good this year but on the outside looking in when it comes to the Super Bowl. Pat Kirwan is one of my favorite analysts and he famously (to me) said on Moving the Chains that "you get two ifs, and that's it." And I think this team exceeds two ifs before we're just pie-in-the-sky dreaming.

Mahomes and Reid are Mahomes and Reid. They are incredible, and when they're clicking, unstoppable. Kelce is a top 3 TE all time. JuJu, Watson, McKinnon, Fortson all have a good rapport with him right now. But it is not yet clear to me that this receiving corps can improve or even match the incredible work Tyreek put in last year. Coming as a guy who hates Tyreek's guts as a human being, there's no question he is just a cheat code who can do things nobody else can do and that there are few answers for. I think the logic of having a team with a ton of options for Mahomes makes sense. But this team is going to have to give MVS a lot of snaps to justify his contract, and I'm not high on him. Skyy and Mecole are a rookie and Mecole. JuJu looks like a damn steal, but all these things in the aggregate... I'm not sure they match what Hill did.

It's possible though, because Mahomes and Reid.

The secondary has a lot of promise, but we're completely lying to ourselves about them. This is a roster corps that we know is built with rookies, and we consistently, collectively know will have "growing pains" -- which is the same thing these podcasters recognize while predicting 13-win seasons. If you're winning 13 games, you're not having growing pains!

Spags is a god at taking a pretty talented secondary and making it look great, so that's an area I know we'll be set at long-term. But growing pains means this secondary is going to have embarrassing blown coverages and bad games that will rack up a couple more losses than they should. I think that Trent McDuffie's camp and preseason has shown a lot of promise that I was skeptical of. It's still undeniable that he's had some bumps along the way and that's going to continue as he develops in live games. Watson and Williams look really good as rookies -- they're going to still get roasted by the AFCW's gamut of excellent receivers. The learning curve can only curve up so fast.

It's possible they're fine, though, because Spags.

But those aren't the two things I think will be really problematic for the team.

First, I don't see solutions for this DL, unless Karlaftis is a truly game-changing talent, which is somebody else than he's shown so far, immediately out of the gate. Aside from Karlaftis (who I think is going to be a really great rookie but is already earning predictions to beat Derrick Thomas' record), the DE position is just not very good. Even Karlaftis, who put some great snaps on tape, is still miles away from the ceiling he's going to reach (that's not a criticism, I don't think: he's a rookie). I have no faith in Clark, I am extremely reticent about the Achilles that Dunlap has, as are the Chiefs who kept 6 DEs just to make sure we'll have bodies. Danna is a rotational guy who's fine. We should have found a way to land Robert Quinn.

The DT position has taken a step backward, I think. We all dumped on Jarran Reed, who didn't justify his contract last year, but he offered some passrushing with good run defense, a combo none of our other DTs have, other than Chris Jones, who is amazing. Nnadi got pushed around a bit in the preseason and offers no passrush, Wharton is always going to be who he is, and Saunders remains a frustrating question mark. Saunders did play well in the preseason, which... I'll just say if Saunders reaches his potential, our DL is going to wreck people. But I've been saying that for a year now.

Thank god our linebackers are amazing, because that will make up for some of the deficiencies of the DTs in front of them. We will not be a bottom 5 rush defense, but we could very realistically be a bottom third unit who Buffalo, Ravens, and Broncos run right over. And our passrush is going to be right where it was last year.

The other big problem I have is out of the Chiefs control: the schedule is just brutal. We face a Chargers team that may very well be better than us, plus Tom Brady in the first four weeks. We play both of the Super Bowl contenders. We play everybody who was in the conference championship games. I would personally argue that the 2022 AFC West is the best division we've ever seen (even better than the 2021 NFC West initially looked and mostly was). And there's a stretch we play three road games consecutively -- which I don't think is very common. I personally struggle to recall the last time we did that? My memory fails me sometimes.

The Chargers loaded up their DL and secondary, finally have an OL and a ton of weapons. The Raiders I'm never super worried about but Adams vs. a rookie secondary will be interesting. The Bills have the best roster in the league right now and I would argue the Bengals got better. I'm not super worried about Russell Wilson but that Broncos team may click. We're going to have to beat some combo of the Chargers, Bills, and Bengals to get to the Super Bowl. Any two of them is a murderer's row.

TL

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Chiefs podcasters are high on their own supply, overlooking problems both manageable and less manageable, to predict the Chiefs are Super Bowl shoo-ins. The Chiefs have a major problem at DL which I fear is going to be their Achilles all season, and a brutal schedule that will take more losses from the team than perhaps this roster deserves. I also have some comparably minor concerns: the rookie secondary, which I think will cost us games, and apparently all of these podcasts think we can replace Hill in the aggregate, whereas I'm not so sure.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Let's argue.

Jewish Rabbi · 09-04-2022, 02:47 PM

No way am I reading all of your bullshit but go KC Chiefs!

**Rausch** · 09-04-2022, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

No way am I reading all of your bullshit but go KC Chiefs!

TL;DR : He's more of a realist than an optimist.

I think 11-6 is about right. I don't think we get a bye and I don't think we need one. I think we need the rookies to see how hard it is to climb the mountain. I think it's 50/50 if we make it beyond the AFCCG.

Jewish Rabbi · 09-04-2022, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

TL;DR : He's more of a realist than an optimist.

I think 11-6 is about right. I don't think we get a bye and I don't think we need one. I think we need the rookies to see how hard it is to climb the mountain. I think it's 50/50 if we make it beyond the AFCCG.

All I see is 17-0

SuperBowl4 · 09-04-2022, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

All I see is 17-0

I see 20-0

Vladimir_Kyrilytch · 09-04-2022, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

All I see is 17-0

The Chiefs will be favored in every single game they play JR. It is possible they actually will go undefeated.

Simply Red · 09-06-2022, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

All I see is 17-0

PM2 with 69 TDs LOL

raybec 4 · 09-06-2022, 07:07 PM

How shocking to see a Direckshun thread where he proclaims that nearl everyone is wrong but him.

Direckshun · 09-04-2022, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

TL;DR : He's more of a realist than an optimist.

I think 11-6 is about right. I don't think we get a bye and I don't think we need one. I think we need the rookies to see how hard it is to climb the mountain. I think it's 50/50 if we make it beyond the AFCCG.

I think it's 50/50 we make it to the AFCCG.

Mahomes on a mission is hard to bet against, but even if we're clicking on all cylinders, goddamn the Chargers/Bills/Bengals look good.

**BigRedChief** · 09-05-2022, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think it's 50/50 we make it to the AFCCG.

Mahomes on a mission is hard to bet against, but even if we're clicking on all cylinders, goddamn the Chargers/Bills/Bengals look good.

I think Mahomes will be on a mission to erase last years 2nd half collapse against the Bengals.

But, shit happens in a football game, a bounce of the ball, a slight juggle, a missed block etc. are just a few of the hundreds of things that turn a game.

One "chance play" that wasted our SB championship occurred during Mahomes first year. We would have killed the Rams that year. Won a SB. But, that didn't happened because a DL not lining up correctly at the snap.

These other AFC teams are good. We will have to play at our best to get another championship. Anything less, we are going home in the playoffs.

Kiimo · 09-04-2022, 02:49 PM

Counterpoint: they addressed their biggest problems and got younger, faster and more diverse on both sides of the ball.

Direckshun · 09-04-2022, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Counterpoint: they addressed their biggest problems and got younger, faster and more diverse on both sides of the ball.

Agreed on the 2nd point.

The 1st point: the biggest problem was the DL. I think the DL is their biggest problem this year. I don't think they addressed it. They literally let Ingram/Reed walk and replaced them with Karlaftis/Dunlap.

Is that "addressing" it? Not sufficiently, I don't think.

Kiimo · 09-04-2022, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Agreed on the 2nd point.

The 1st point: the biggest problem was the DL. I think the DL is their biggest problem this year. I don't think they addressed it. They literally let Ingram/Reed walk and replaced them with Karlaftis/Dunlap.

Is that "addressing" it? Not sufficiently, I don't think.

You think the DL was a bigger issue than Nieman and Sorenson getting a ton of snaps and Mathieu making business decisions every play? I don't.

**Rausch** · 09-04-2022, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

You think the DL was a bigger issue than Nieman and Sorenson getting a ton of snaps and Mathieu making business decisions every play? I don't.

Exactly.

There's more talent on the D this year as well as the addition through subtraction of the Stepford Husbands...

Direckshun · 09-04-2022, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

You think the DL was a bigger issue than Nieman and Sorenson getting a ton of snaps and Mathieu making business decisions every play? I don't.

Mathieu's play on the field was not as bad down the stretch as we make it out to be. There were not games where he was being exposed with any regularity. He was a king-sized distraction off the field, however.

Sorensen and Niemann were horrendous and have been thankfully upgraded.

But, yes. I think the DL is the most important position on the team other than QB. And we're just not investing in it the way I'd like us to.

09-04-2022, 02:47 PM	Topic Starter
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2133447	We haven't argued in a while: nearly every Chiefs podcast is wrong, I think. Spoiler! Necessary disclaimer #1: What I'm saying right now is what the rest of you are doing: projecting the season and how good this team is. Necessary disclaimer #2: I may be awfully handsome, but I am not a god. I understand that I am wrong sometimes and may be wrong on this. Necessary disclaimer #3: I really only care about talking football, and not the assumed upsides and/or downsides of my personality, which you probably don't like. Almost all the time I spend exercising or working alone or driving, I'm dialing up a Chiefs podcast. I listen to more than most: Time's Ours, Locked On, It's Always Sunny In Chiefs Kingdom, KCSN, 4th and 1, Arrowhead Addict, Arrowhead Pride, Roughing the Kicker. I don't catch all of it but I catch a lot of it. And this past week, after breaking down the roster, several of these podcasts are, I think, overshooting what the '22 Chiefs may be capable of. These podcasters -- with the lone exception of Nick Jacobs, whose opinions I find pretty "grounded" -- are all predicting a Super Bowl season. And while that's to be expected of Chiefs-friendly media, it sure as **** makes Chiefs Kingdom toxic by Week 10 as the Chiefs are, say, 5-4 and still trying to get their roster figured out. "We should be the go away favorites for the 1 seed!" we're all being primed to spout in November, when the Chiefs may be trying to just hold onto the AFCW. I just listened to three straight Chiefs podcasts predict the Super Bowl unanimously among their hosts, including KC Lab on KCSN, which is normally more grounded. Maybe Kissel's infected them, I don't know. I appreciate optimism, but routinely predicting a 13-4 or 14-3 schedule against a bear of a calendar with a rookie secondary and a DL held together with scotch tape is irresponsible. Argue all you want that podcasts have no responsibility, and legally you're right. But if you want to be seen as credible, then c'mon now. Anchor yourselves. I volunteer as tribute as the Chiefs fan on this board who thinks the Chiefs are going to be very, very good this year but on the outside looking in when it comes to the Super Bowl. Pat Kirwan is one of my favorite analysts and he famously (to me) said on Moving the Chains that "you get two ifs, and that's it." And I think this team exceeds two ifs before we're just pie-in-the-sky dreaming. Mahomes and Reid are Mahomes and Reid. They are incredible, and when they're clicking, unstoppable. Kelce is a top 3 TE all time. JuJu, Watson, McKinnon, Fortson all have a good rapport with him right now. But it is not yet clear to me that this receiving corps can improve or even match the incredible work Tyreek put in last year. Coming as a guy who hates Tyreek's guts as a human being, there's no question he is just a cheat code who can do things nobody else can do and that there are few answers for. I think the logic of having a team with a ton of options for Mahomes makes sense. But this team is going to have to give MVS a lot of snaps to justify his contract, and I'm not high on him. Skyy and Mecole are a rookie and Mecole. JuJu looks like a damn steal, but all these things in the aggregate... I'm not sure they match what Hill did. It's possible though, because Mahomes and Reid. The secondary has a lot of promise, but we're completely lying to ourselves about them. This is a roster corps that we know is built with rookies, and we consistently, collectively know will have "growing pains" -- which is the same thing these podcasters recognize while predicting 13-win seasons. If you're winning 13 games, you're not having growing pains! Spags is a god at taking a pretty talented secondary and making it look great, so that's an area I know we'll be set at long-term. But growing pains means this secondary is going to have embarrassing blown coverages and bad games that will rack up a couple more losses than they should. I think that Trent McDuffie's camp and preseason has shown a lot of promise that I was skeptical of. It's still undeniable that he's had some bumps along the way and that's going to continue as he develops in live games. Watson and Williams look really good as rookies -- they're going to still get roasted by the AFCW's gamut of excellent receivers. The learning curve can only curve up so fast. It's possible they're fine, though, because Spags. But those aren't the two things I think will be really problematic for the team. First, I don't see solutions for this DL, unless Karlaftis is a truly game-changing talent, which is somebody else than he's shown so far, immediately out of the gate. Aside from Karlaftis (who I think is going to be a really great rookie but is already earning predictions to beat Derrick Thomas' record), the DE position is just not very good. Even Karlaftis, who put some great snaps on tape, is still miles away from the ceiling he's going to reach (that's not a criticism, I don't think: he's a rookie). I have no faith in Clark, I am extremely reticent about the Achilles that Dunlap has, as are the Chiefs who kept 6 DEs just to make sure we'll have bodies. Danna is a rotational guy who's fine. We should have found a way to land Robert Quinn. The DT position has taken a step backward, I think. We all dumped on Jarran Reed, who didn't justify his contract last year, but he offered some passrushing with good run defense, a combo none of our other DTs have, other than Chris Jones, who is amazing. Nnadi got pushed around a bit in the preseason and offers no passrush, Wharton is always going to be who he is, and Saunders remains a frustrating question mark. Saunders did play well in the preseason, which... I'll just say if Saunders reaches his potential, our DL is going to wreck people. But I've been saying that for a year now. Thank god our linebackers are amazing, because that will make up for some of the deficiencies of the DTs in front of them. We will not be a bottom 5 rush defense, but we could very realistically be a bottom third unit who Buffalo, Ravens, and Broncos run right over. And our passrush is going to be right where it was last year. The other big problem I have is out of the Chiefs control: the schedule is just brutal. We face a Chargers team that may very well be better than us, plus Tom Brady in the first four weeks. We play both of the Super Bowl contenders. We play everybody who was in the conference championship games. I would personally argue that the 2022 AFC West is the best division we've ever seen (even better than the 2021 NFC West initially looked and mostly was). And there's a stretch we play three road games consecutively -- which I don't think is very common. I personally struggle to recall the last time we did that? My memory fails me sometimes. The Chargers loaded up their DL and secondary, finally have an OL and a ton of weapons. The Raiders I'm never super worried about but Adams vs. a rookie secondary will be interesting. The Bills have the best roster in the league right now and I would argue the Bengals got better. I'm not super worried about Russell Wilson but that Broncos team may click. We're going to have to beat some combo of the Chargers, Bills, and Bengals to get to the Super Bowl. Any two of them is a murderer's row. TLR: Chiefs podcasters are high on their own supply, overlooking problems both manageable and less manageable, to predict the Chiefs are Super Bowl shoo-ins. The Chiefs have a major problem at DL which I fear is going to be their Achilles all season, and a brutal schedule that will take more losses from the team than perhaps this roster deserves. I also have some comparably minor concerns: the rookie secondary, which I think will cost us games, and apparently all of these podcasts think we can replace Hill in the aggregate, whereas I'm not so sure. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Let's argue. Last edited by Direckshun; 09-04-2022 at 03:01 PM..
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