Poll: How will Patrick Mahomes and the new receiving corps compare to previous years?

[Wallcrawler]

I have had a stance from the outset that the loss of Tyreek Hill was addition by subtraction. It is my personal opinion, based on things I've seen and heard, that Mahomes was affected in his performances by always looking for Hill first. Whether that be because Hill was in his ear bitching for the ball, or Mahomes just wanting that kill shot over death by papercut, and passing up open guys.

In a small sample of Mahomes in pre season, we saw him go 6/7 for 70 and a td, all completions to different receivers, and only MVS was targeted twice. This is without Juju even getting a catch.

I think this years offense will be the most dangerous. There isn't a blueprint anymore. You can't just say play shell, double Hill and force Mahomes to throw to trash like D-ROP.

Mahomes won't have as strong of a need/want to hold out for a huge play when a wide open 15 is right there with Hill gone. His progressions will improve, and if an Andy Reid offense is running on all cylinders, with quality talent at every receiving spot, I just don't see how that's going to do less numbers than Hill, Kelce and trash behind them.

We will still be top 3 in scoring, and likely fielding a much better defensive unit. We will win the west, home playoff game, and play for a 5th straight AFC title.

[Simply Red]

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[KC Hawks]

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[BleedingRed]

People seem to forget we were more dangerous with Sammy Watkins was on the other side of Hill.

The fact our WR corp is at least 3 deep is a huge improvement. Now if a certain RB named (I-10, cause he goes coast to coast) turns out... We are going to average 35ppg.

[ToxSocks]

Betting against Mahomes and Reid is a fool's errand.

[stevieray]

Extremely efficient.

The two headed monster was figured out, and it was time to revamp.

[RealSNR]

What about "Mahomes won't have quality at every spot, but will shred defenses anyway"

[The Franchise]

Was having Hill and Kelce great? Of course.

But it also allowed defenses to gameplan for both of them. And it became even easier when one of them was out.

You could say that now we don't have a group that you have to gameplan for. In fact....you can't. Sure you could take away Kelce but now we have Juju and Moore that can get some of that short to immediate work. MVS can still take the top off of a defense. Moore and Hardman are going to be dangerous on end arounds or screens.

And the best thing of all? I think having a group this deep extends Kelces career. When you have to account for EVERYONE on the field....you can't beat the shit out of Kelce and double him every play.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Was having Hill and Kelce great? Of course.

But it also allowed defenses to gameplan for both of them. And it became even easier when one of them was out.

You could say that now we don't have a group that you have to gameplan for. In fact....you can't. Sure you could take away Kelce but now we have Juju and Moore that can get some of that short to immediate work. MVS can still take the top off of a defense. Moore and Hardman are going to be dangerous on end arounds or screens.

And the best thing of all? I think having a group this deep extends Kelces career. When you have to account for EVERYONE on the field....you can't beat the shit out of Kelce and double him every play.

I think we all hope this is the case.

But could one make a case that it's Kelce and then a bunch of guys that could be good but we don't really know yets?

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think we all hope this is the case.

But could one make a case that it's Kelce and then a bunch of guys that could be good but we don't really know yets?

That's every team short of like maybe 3-4 of them.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by O.city

I think we all hope this is the case.

But could one make a case that it's Kelce and then a bunch of guys that could be good but we don't really know yets?

I think you could certainly make the case that Kelce will see even more attention now.

Teams will double Kelce and beat the shit out of him in the first 5 yards. He's the only known quantity and was Mahomes' favorite target even before Tyreek was traded.

Teams will be focusing on taking Kelce out of the equation and will now feel they can dedicate even more resources to do it.

Much like teams "dared" the Chiefs to run the ball, teams will "dare" the Chiefs to rely on one of these receiver winning their matchups consistently.

Ultimately i think Mahomes and Co will still be a top 5 offense in the league and will have plenty of regular season success.

My fear, as it's been all offseason, is what happens when you play the best of the best in the big games? What happens when you play a good defense with a good secondary and you NEED to score to keep up and you need big time players to make big time plays?

The best teams will take Kelce out of the game and rely on their corners to win against JJSS, MVS etc. And despite all the camp buzz, none of our receivers are particularly scary in a 1v1 matchup.

My worry is that we become like the Bills of 2020. You take away their ONE guy, and then the rest of their average/good receivers get locked up by a decent secondary.

Pacheco is the real wild card here.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

My fear, as it's been all offseason, is what happens when you play the best of the best in the big games? What happens when you play a good defense with a good secondary and you NEED to score to keep up and you need big time players to make big time plays?

The best teams will take Kelce out of the game and rely on their corners to win against JJSS, MVS etc. And despite all the camp buzz, none of our receivers are particularly scary in a 1v1 matchup.

My worry is that we become like the Bills of 2020. You take away their ONE guy, and then the rest of their average/good receivers get locked up by a decent secondary.

Pacheco is the real wild card here.

My concern there is consistency.

JJSS is, as you noted, not a real concern 1v1. He's...fine. Possession guy - he'll move the chains a few times but against elite secondaries he CAN be shut down.

So you're looking at 3 guys in MVS, Moore and Hardman who have consistency concerns. MVS and Hardman because of their track records, Moore because of his lack thereof.

So I guess the question becomes, when you NEED a play, have we piled enough depth there to be confident that when the time calls for it, one of those 3 will get the job done?

I dunno. It's a hard guess. I mean we all remember Hill's dagger route against the Browns to send us to the SB. Do I trust JJSS to win off the line? No, no I do not. Do I trust MVS or Hardman to actually catch that ball? No, no I do not. Moore is still a small-school rookie - gotta long way to go still.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So I guess the question becomes, when you NEED a play, have we piled enough depth there to be confident that when the time calls for it, one of those 3 will get the job done?

Yeah, the downs like Wasp where everyone in the world knows Mahomes will look for Tyreek first, or needing 3 points in 13 seconds, but it doesn’t matter if everyone knows you're looking Tyreek and Kelce, become they're going to beat you anyway.


The Chiefs rushed for 15+ yards/game more than the past couple SB winners, and the last time they were under 100/game, they won the SB... it's no longer the 90s, you don't run a million times to set up that one play action bomb.