Mock 3/8/20

kccrow · **Mock 3/8/20**

Last pre-FA mock...

Restructures/Extensions
Restructure QB Patrick Mahomes, DT Chris Jones, WR Tyreek Hill roster bonuses into signing bonuses
Extend SS Tyrann Mathieu for 3 years.

Re-Sign FAs
Chiefs sign to 1-year veteran minimum deals:
WR Byron Pringle
RB Darrell Williams
LB Ben Niemann
DE Taco Charlton

Tenders
CB Charvarius Ward, 2nd Rd RFA
TE Nick Kiezer, ERFA
CB DeAndre Baker ERFA

Sign FAs
SS Lano Hill (SEA) - 1 year vet min
WR John Ross (CIN) - 1 year vet min + incentives
WR Phillip Dorsett (SEA) - 1 year vet min + incentives
OT Roderick Johnson (HOU) - 2 years, $5.0M
OG/C Ethan Pocic (SEA) - 1 year, $1.5M
CB Gareon Conley (HOU) - 1 year, $2.5M

Draft
Round 1 | DE Joe Tryon, Washington (6'5" 262)
Veach and Spagnuolo have longstanding affinities for the defensive line and they no doubt see the weakness at LDE severely hampering their ability to bring consistent pressure rushing four. Tryon sports a tantalyzing blend of traits you cannot coach in an elite first step, burst, quickness, lateral agility, and overall closing speed that will make life difficult for opposing tackles. He plays with good pad level, has a solid array of pass rush moves, and can covert speed to power. He'll continue to add mass, functional strength, and become better with his hands and when he does should be a top-flight rusher in this league.

Round 2 | OC/G Quintin Meinerz, UW-Whitewater (6'3" 320)
The 2nd round? Damned straight. When I saw Meinerz put Osa Odighizuwa on his ass with ease at the Senior Bowl, I was sold, but then he just kept doing it to everyone. Meinerz is good in just about every aspect of the game. He's tough as nails, he brings his lunchpail, and he has that nasty, finishing attitude you want in your linemen. He also so happens to be well-coached with good fundamentals to go with the athleticism to reach blocks in space, whether it's pulling outside or climbing up to the second level. While he absolutely dominated his level of competition ala Billy Bob in Varsity Blues, he was also dominating day 1 and 2 Division 1 peers at the Senior Bowl in the same fashion. He's a bit raw, but imagine "Da Gut" when he gets some NFL coaching, eh? The sky is the limit for this kid. Oh, and you'll find his "offseason workout" video in Alberta to be quite the treat.

Round 3 | WR Dyami Brown, North Carolina (6'1" 185)
Brown is one of the best receivers in this class at running routes. Brown's ability to take his game vertically with release, burst, speed, tracking and ball skills has allowed him to set up cornerbacks and dominate underneath where he uses elite foot quickness and loose hips to snap off hitches and inside cuts to give himself yards of separation. Brown shows he is fearless working the intermediate part of the field over the middle. He's also a very good blocker from the position. While Brown doesn't possess elite agility to be a joystick-like player from the slot, he has all of the traits to be a very good outside X receiver in the NFL.

Round 4 | SS JaCoby Stevens, LSU (6'1" 216)
Stevens is at his best as a hybrid box safety/weak side linebacker that can be used in multiple ways. This won't appeal to all teams, but for a team like the Chiefs that use a 4-2-5 as a primary set, he'll be the type of player that can replace Dan Sorensen. The biggest knock on Stevens seems to be that he won't run fast, with some thinking in the mid-4.6 range. Given Sorensen ran a 4.67 but came in with above average agility much like Stevens, I don't think the Chiefs will care. Stevens can press receivers at the line, cover TEs and RBs, and he is a really adept blitzer when his name is called. Like Dirty Dan, Stevens is a solid tackler and he has plus ball skills. Stevens' and Sorensen's overall profiles and on-field play are eerily similar.

Round 4 | TE Tre McKitty, Georgia (6'4' 245)
McKitty is an athletic move tight end excellent speed and agility that shows a good release off the line, solid route running, and snap in his breaks. He has good speed and the abilities to compete in traffic and create after the catch. He has shown willingness to develop as a blocker but is more of a wall-off guy at this point. McKitty would give the Chiefs another receiving option from TE they currently lack, and shows enough promise to develop into an eventual starter.

Round 5 | DT Khyiris Tonga, Brigham Young (6'4" 322)
Tonga is a load with length and burst that can make it tough in one-on-one situations for opposing offenses. He played 3-4 NT at BYU so he was doubled a ton due to an elite first step and the strength to make a good push into the pocket, but would likely be an even better player in a 4-3 at the 1. With Tonga's get-off and closing speed for a man his size, he may find himself in more advantageous opportunities in the pros if he plays in a 4-3 because team's can't consistently focus on doubling him, especially next to a player like Chris Jones. Tonga needs some polish, especially in developing pass rush moves and setting up his blockers but he can contribute immediately as a run plugger and a guy that can provide push with his bull rush.

Round 5 | OG/T Royce Newman, Ole Miss (6'5" 306)
Newman began his collegiate career at a tackle but got his first starting season at OG before going back to OT as a senior. He has all the athletic traits you look for in a starting tackle but doesn't have the strength, arm length, or hand usage to stay out there in the pros. His best fit will be conversion to a zone guard where his athleticism and elite agility will be fully utilized. He has to develop more power either way in order to be an effective anchor in his pass sets consistently. He should have the versatility to be a swing tackle if needed in a pinch, making him a viable game-day roster option early on before developing into a full-time starter.

Round 6 | LB Anthony Hines III, Texas A&M (6'3" 226)
Hines will have to grow up in the NFL after opting out of his final two years of eligibility, but he comes with a 5-star pedigree and looked like a star in the making as a Sophomore with 73 tackles. Hines shows solid coverage ability with good speed and good drops into zones. He has a ways to go in shoring up his man-coverage technique. Hines shows the ability to slip blockers, but if they get to him he's often left without a good plan to disengage. A special teams player for his first couple years, more than likely, but has tools to work with that could make him an outstanding player down the road.

Roster
QB: P. Mahomes, C. Henne
RB: C. Edwards-Helaire, Dam. Williams, Dar. Williams

WR: T. Hill, B. Pringle, P. Dorsett, M. Hardman, D. Brown, J. Ross
TE: T. Kelce, T. McKitty, N. Keizer

LT: E. Fisher, R. Johnson
LG: N. Allegretti, Y. Durant, M. Rankin
OC: Q. Meinerz, E. Pocic
RG: L. Duvernay-Tardif, R. Newman
RT: M. Schwartz, L. Niang

DE: F. Clark, T. Charlton, T. Ward
DT: C. Jones, T. Wharton
DT: D. Nnadi, K. Saunders, K. Tonga
DE: J. Tryon, M. Danna

SLB: W. Gay, D. Harris
ILB: A. Hitchens, E. Smith
WLB: B. Niemann, D. O'Daniel, A. Hines

CB: C. Ward, G. Conley, L. Sneed, R. Fenton, T. Keyes, D. Baker
S: T. Mathieu, J. Thornhill, L. Hill, J. Stevens, A. Watts

K: Butker
P: Townsend
LS: Winchester

Direckshun · 03-08-2021, 07:41 PM

Hill, Hardman, Dorsett, and Ross may be the fastest foursome in NFL history.

kccrow · 03-08-2021, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Hill, Hardman, Dorsett, and Ross may be the fastest foursome in NFL history.

Just Zoom Baby.

I didn't really think about that putting it together. I like Dorsett in a role and he is quick too. Ross, he was so talented coming out... I have to think the Bengals ****ed that up more than Ross. And if anyone can teach "the next Reek" to be like Reek, its probably Reek himself.

But yeah... 2 guys in the low 4.2's and 2 in the low 4.3's would be pretty dope.

Stryker · 03-08-2021, 08:15 PM

I LOVE IT!

John Ross

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Phillip Dorsett II

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Joe Tryon OLB Washington

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Dyami Brown

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JaCoby Stevens

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Tre McKitty

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Nice!

Chris Meck · 03-08-2021, 08:40 PM

I like all your draft choices, but depending on what database you use, you may well have drafted the first 5 a round early.

Maybe not in reality; we'll have to see. But they're all guys I've researched a lot and like.

Player rankings are so all over the place, we won't know until the draft.

Couch-Potato · 03-09-2021, 06:32 AM

Love the vet WRs and dynamic EDGE in the 1st!

Wilson8 · 03-09-2021, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I like all your draft choices, but depending on what database you use, you may well have drafted the first 5 a round early.

I think that is one of the tough things about trying to do a mock draft for the Chiefs when picking 31st in each round.

I agree, I'd like to have Tryon in the next round and Meinerz in the 3rd, but chances are some team will probably pick them in front of us.

Last year I would have loved getting RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire in the 2nd round, but Clyde would have been gone.

I hope we pick last in the draft next year, but it does mean we might be picking talent earlier than it seem necessary.

Direckshun · 03-09-2021, 08:12 AM

Honestly, this is really good all around except the dearth at WR is going to kill the team next time we face Tampa in the Super Bowl.

Wilson8 · 03-09-2021, 02:27 PM

kccrow,

I like it. It covers the Chiefs needs. With these moves, you have improved -

1. Offensive line -"build back our offensive line"
2. Defensive line - "We’re certainly going to work on the defensive line for depth"
3. Backup TE - "Getting Travis a backup tight end"
4. Secondary- "collect our secondary " and "Identifying more young corners."
5. Improved depth at LB. - "I think depth at the linebacker position "
6. Added WR help. - "getting depth at wideout"

I believe those were all items that Brett Veach (quotes above) said were areas to address on the 2021 roster.

Wilson8 · 03-09-2021, 03:47 PM

I'd love to have a healthy John Ross in this offense.

2013 played 13 games, 16 REC, 208 YDS, and 1 TD at Washington.
2014 played 13 games, 17 REC, 371 YDS, and 4 TD at Washington.
April 17, 2015 - Knee meniscus tear and knee ACL tear Grade 3
2015 medical redshirt at Washington
Sept 30, 2016 - Shoulder Labrum tear - Still played 13 games, 81 REC, 1,150 YDS, 17 TDs
Ran 4.22 but strained calf at combine caused him not to complete drills
Dec 6, 2017 - Shoulder Labrum tear. Played 3 games.
Sept 30, 2018 - Inguinal groin strain Grade 2
Oct 21, 2018 - Inguinal groin strain Grade 2. Played 13 games and had 210 yards and 7 TDs.
Sept 30, 2019 - Shoulder A/C Joint Sprain. Oct 2, 2019 IR but returned Dec 3. Played 8 games and had 506 yards and 3 TDs
Nov 14, 2020 - foot injury IR. Played 3 games.

I'd like to see what he could do, but as you stated, it needs to be a 1 year minimal base with some incentives.

With Ross's past history, the Chiefs would have to have plan B in place.

Wilson8 · 03-09-2021, 04:33 PM

A free agent WR that the Chiefs could get on a low cost deal, would be Zay Jones.

He is 6-2, 200 pounds and ran a 4.45 40 coming out of East Carolina University.

He had some tremendous numbers at ECU, 49 games, 399 REC, 4,279 YDS, and 23 TD.

In 2017 he had a good Senior Bowl with 6 REC, 68 YDS and a TD.

After being a 2nd round draft pick (37), he played for Buffalo Bills for 2 years + 5 games, 36 games, 90 REC, 1,097 YDS, 9 TD.

He was traded to the Raiders mid season and has fallen on hard times there, so the Chiefs would need to blow the stink off of him. In 23 games with the Raiders he has had 34 REC, 301 YDS, 1 TD.

Would not mind if Chiefs gave him a try.

03-08-2021, 07:25 PM	Topic Starter
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1060000	Mock 3/8/20 Last pre-FA mock... Restructures/Extensions Restructure QB Patrick Mahomes, DT Chris Jones, WR Tyreek Hill roster bonuses into signing bonuses Extend SS Tyrann Mathieu for 3 years. Re-Sign FAs Chiefs sign to 1-year veteran minimum deals: WR Byron Pringle RB Darrell Williams LB Ben Niemann DE Taco Charlton Tenders CB Charvarius Ward, 2nd Rd RFA TE Nick Kiezer, ERFA CB DeAndre Baker ERFA Sign FAs SS Lano Hill (SEA) - 1 year vet min WR John Ross (CIN) - 1 year vet min + incentives WR Phillip Dorsett (SEA) - 1 year vet min + incentives OT Roderick Johnson (HOU) - 2 years, $5.0M OG/C Ethan Pocic (SEA) - 1 year, $1.5M CB Gareon Conley (HOU) - 1 year, $2.5M Draft Round 1 \| DE Joe Tryon, Washington (6'5" 262) Veach and Spagnuolo have longstanding affinities for the defensive line and they no doubt see the weakness at LDE severely hampering their ability to bring consistent pressure rushing four. Tryon sports a tantalyzing blend of traits you cannot coach in an elite first step, burst, quickness, lateral agility, and overall closing speed that will make life difficult for opposing tackles. He plays with good pad level, has a solid array of pass rush moves, and can covert speed to power. He'll continue to add mass, functional strength, and become better with his hands and when he does should be a top-flight rusher in this league. Round 2 \| OC/G Quintin Meinerz, UW-Whitewater (6'3" 320) The 2nd round? Damned straight. When I saw Meinerz put Osa Odighizuwa on his ass with ease at the Senior Bowl, I was sold, but then he just kept doing it to everyone. Meinerz is good in just about every aspect of the game. He's tough as nails, he brings his lunchpail, and he has that nasty, finishing attitude you want in your linemen. He also so happens to be well-coached with good fundamentals to go with the athleticism to reach blocks in space, whether it's pulling outside or climbing up to the second level. While he absolutely dominated his level of competition ala Billy Bob in Varsity Blues, he was also dominating day 1 and 2 Division 1 peers at the Senior Bowl in the same fashion. He's a bit raw, but imagine "Da Gut" when he gets some NFL coaching, eh? The sky is the limit for this kid. Oh, and you'll find his "offseason workout" video in Alberta to be quite the treat. Round 3 \| WR Dyami Brown, North Carolina (6'1" 185) Brown is one of the best receivers in this class at running routes. Brown's ability to take his game vertically with release, burst, speed, tracking and ball skills has allowed him to set up cornerbacks and dominate underneath where he uses elite foot quickness and loose hips to snap off hitches and inside cuts to give himself yards of separation. Brown shows he is fearless working the intermediate part of the field over the middle. He's also a very good blocker from the position. While Brown doesn't possess elite agility to be a joystick-like player from the slot, he has all of the traits to be a very good outside X receiver in the NFL. Round 4 \| SS JaCoby Stevens, LSU (6'1" 216) Stevens is at his best as a hybrid box safety/weak side linebacker that can be used in multiple ways. This won't appeal to all teams, but for a team like the Chiefs that use a 4-2-5 as a primary set, he'll be the type of player that can replace Dan Sorensen. The biggest knock on Stevens seems to be that he won't run fast, with some thinking in the mid-4.6 range. Given Sorensen ran a 4.67 but came in with above average agility much like Stevens, I don't think the Chiefs will care. Stevens can press receivers at the line, cover TEs and RBs, and he is a really adept blitzer when his name is called. Like Dirty Dan, Stevens is a solid tackler and he has plus ball skills. Stevens' and Sorensen's overall profiles and on-field play are eerily similar. Round 4 \| TE Tre McKitty, Georgia (6'4' 245) McKitty is an athletic move tight end excellent speed and agility that shows a good release off the line, solid route running, and snap in his breaks. He has good speed and the abilities to compete in traffic and create after the catch. He has shown willingness to develop as a blocker but is more of a wall-off guy at this point. McKitty would give the Chiefs another receiving option from TE they currently lack, and shows enough promise to develop into an eventual starter. Round 5 \| DT Khyiris Tonga, Brigham Young (6'4" 322) Tonga is a load with length and burst that can make it tough in one-on-one situations for opposing offenses. He played 3-4 NT at BYU so he was doubled a ton due to an elite first step and the strength to make a good push into the pocket, but would likely be an even better player in a 4-3 at the 1. With Tonga's get-off and closing speed for a man his size, he may find himself in more advantageous opportunities in the pros if he plays in a 4-3 because team's can't consistently focus on doubling him, especially next to a player like Chris Jones. Tonga needs some polish, especially in developing pass rush moves and setting up his blockers but he can contribute immediately as a run plugger and a guy that can provide push with his bull rush. Round 5 \| OG/T Royce Newman, Ole Miss (6'5" 306) Newman began his collegiate career at a tackle but got his first starting season at OG before going back to OT as a senior. He has all the athletic traits you look for in a starting tackle but doesn't have the strength, arm length, or hand usage to stay out there in the pros. His best fit will be conversion to a zone guard where his athleticism and elite agility will be fully utilized. He has to develop more power either way in order to be an effective anchor in his pass sets consistently. He should have the versatility to be a swing tackle if needed in a pinch, making him a viable game-day roster option early on before developing into a full-time starter. Round 6 \| LB Anthony Hines III, Texas A&M (6'3" 226) Hines will have to grow up in the NFL after opting out of his final two years of eligibility, but he comes with a 5-star pedigree and looked like a star in the making as a Sophomore with 73 tackles. Hines shows solid coverage ability with good speed and good drops into zones. He has a ways to go in shoring up his man-coverage technique. Hines shows the ability to slip blockers, but if they get to him he's often left without a good plan to disengage. A special teams player for his first couple years, more than likely, but has tools to work with that could make him an outstanding player down the road. Roster QB: P. Mahomes, C. Henne RB: C. Edwards-Helaire, Dam. Williams, Dar. Williams WR: T. Hill, B. Pringle, P. Dorsett, M. Hardman, D. Brown, *J. Ross* TE: T. Kelce, T. McKitty, N. Keizer LT: E. Fisher, *R. Johnson* LG: N. Allegretti, Y. Durant, M. Rankin OC: Q. Meinerz, *E. Pocic* RG: L. Duvernay-Tardif, R. Newman RT: M. Schwartz, L. Niang DE: F. Clark, T. Charlton, T. Ward DT: C. Jones, T. Wharton DT: D. Nnadi, K. Saunders, K. Tonga DE: J. Tryon, M. Danna SLB: W. Gay, D. Harris ILB: A. Hitchens, E. Smith WLB: B. Niemann, D. O'Daniel, A. Hines CB: C. Ward, *G. Conley, L. Sneed, R. Fenton, T. Keyes, D. Baker S: T. Mathieu, J. Thornhill, L. Hill, J. Stevens*, A. Watts K: Butker P: Townsend LS: Winchester
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03-08-2021, 07:41 PM	#2
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2123447	Hill, Hardman, Dorsett, and Ross may be the fastest foursome in NFL history.
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03-08-2021, 08:15 PM	#4
Stryker Super Bowl LVIII Champions! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Casino cash: $-255364	I LOVE IT! John Ross [IMG][/IMG] Phillip Dorsett II [IMG][/IMG] Joe Tryon OLB Washington [IMG][/IMG] Dyami Brown [IMG][/IMG] JaCoby Stevens [IMG][/IMG] Tre McKitty [IMG][/IMG] Nice! __________________ Super Bowl LVIII Champions!
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03-08-2021, 08:40 PM	#5
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1145090	I like all your draft choices, but depending on what database you use, you may well have drafted the first 5 a round early. Maybe not in reality; we'll have to see. But they're all guys I've researched a lot and like. Player rankings are so all over the place, we won't know until the draft.
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03-09-2021, 06:32 AM	#6
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $283065	Love the vet WRs and dynamic EDGE in the 1st!
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03-09-2021, 08:12 AM	#8
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2123447	Honestly, this is really good all around except the dearth at WR is going to kill the team next time we face Tampa in the Super Bowl.
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03-09-2021, 02:27 PM	#9
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2917557	kccrow, I like it. It covers the Chiefs needs. With these moves, you have improved - 1. Offensive line -"build back our offensive line" 2. Defensive line - "We’re certainly going to work on the defensive line for depth" 3. Backup TE - "Getting Travis a backup tight end" 4. Secondary- "collect our secondary " and "Identifying more young corners." 5. Improved depth at LB. - "I think depth at the linebacker position " 6. Added WR help. - "getting depth at wideout" I believe those were all items that Brett Veach (quotes above) said were areas to address on the 2021 roster. Last edited by Wilson8; 03-09-2021 at 02:53 PM..
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03-09-2021, 03:47 PM	#10
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2917557	I'd love to have a healthy John Ross in this offense. 2013 played 13 games, 16 REC, 208 YDS, and 1 TD at Washington. 2014 played 13 games, 17 REC, 371 YDS, and 4 TD at Washington. April 17, 2015 - Knee meniscus tear and knee ACL tear Grade 3 2015 medical redshirt at Washington Sept 30, 2016 - Shoulder Labrum tear - Still played 13 games, 81 REC, 1,150 YDS, 17 TDs Ran 4.22 but strained calf at combine caused him not to complete drills Dec 6, 2017 - Shoulder Labrum tear. Played 3 games. Sept 30, 2018 - Inguinal groin strain Grade 2 Oct 21, 2018 - Inguinal groin strain Grade 2. Played 13 games and had 210 yards and 7 TDs. Sept 30, 2019 - Shoulder A/C Joint Sprain. Oct 2, 2019 IR but returned Dec 3. Played 8 games and had 506 yards and 3 TDs Nov 14, 2020 - foot injury IR. Played 3 games. I'd like to see what he could do, but as you stated, it needs to be a 1 year minimal base with some incentives. With Ross's past history, the Chiefs would have to have plan B in place.
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03-09-2021, 04:33 PM	#11
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2917557	A free agent WR that the Chiefs could get on a low cost deal, would be Zay Jones. He is 6-2, 200 pounds and ran a 4.45 40 coming out of East Carolina University. He had some tremendous numbers at ECU, 49 games, 399 REC, 4,279 YDS, and 23 TD. In 2017 he had a good Senior Bowl with 6 REC, 68 YDS and a TD. After being a 2nd round draft pick (37), he played for Buffalo Bills for 2 years + 5 games, 36 games, 90 REC, 1,097 YDS, 9 TD. He was traded to the Raiders mid season and has fallen on hard times there, so the Chiefs would need to blow the stink off of him. In 23 games with the Raiders he has had 34 REC, 301 YDS, 1 TD. Would not mind if Chiefs gave him a try.
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