Chiefs Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League

dlphg9 · 03-07-2020, 07:52 PM

Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year.

Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating.

If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players.

There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league.

1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well

2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away.

3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting.

Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.

poolboy · 03-07-2020, 08:08 PM

great post....i trust mr veach

**Rausch** · 03-07-2020, 08:13 PM

We need to keep Jones.

I don't know if we can swing highest paid in the league though...

pugsnotdrugs19 · 03-07-2020, 08:16 PM

CBA or no new CBA, he’s not worth that.

And I love Jones.

dlphg9 · 03-07-2020, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

CBA or no new CBA, he’s not worth that.

And I love Jones.

This is what happened after the last CBA. Teams had more money to spend, so they paid more for top talent. Contracts get bigger and bigger.

**RealSNR** · 03-07-2020, 08:22 PM

Then can we expect to draft an entire new set of CBs between now and the start of the 2021 season?

Because we ain't re-signing Breeland or Fuller, and Ward's deal is up after this season-- we ain't extending him, either.

keg in kc · 03-07-2020, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Then can we expect to draft an entire new set of CBs between now and the start of the 2021 season?

Because we ain't re-signing Breeland or Fuller, and Ward's deal is up after this season-- we ain't extending him, either.

At the same time, we won the Superbowl with those guys, after an off-season where everyone was in panic more over who our corners were going to be. You remember, we definitely weren't going to.win a title because our secondary sucked. So I think I might be okay with a similar approach in 2020, just pull guys off the heap wherever you can and make it work.

MeaTy The Pimp · 03-07-2020, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

At the same time, we won the Superbowl with those guys, after an off-season where everyone was in panic more over who our corners were going to be. You remember, we definitely weren't going to.win a title because our secondary sucked. So I think I might be okay with a similar approach in 2020, just pull guys off the heap wherever you can and make it work.

In hindsight, I am glad we never got to pull the trigger on Ramsey. While I think that he is a good player, if we would have gotten him, then I don't think that there is any way we would have been able to sign Jones.

KChiefs1 · 03-07-2020, 08:27 PM

If Veach decides to do it, I’d trust him.

I wouldn’t but Justin Houston ruined that for me.

dlphg9 · 03-07-2020, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

If Veach decides to do it, I’d trust him.

I wouldn’t but Justin Houston ruined that for me.

Im pretty sure the Chiefs are partially to blame for his knee being ****ed up worse than what it should have been. That always gets ignored.

MeaTy The Pimp · 03-07-2020, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

If Veach decides to do it, I’d trust him.

I wouldn’t but Justin Houston ruined that for me.

I think that as far as Justin Houston goes, he was bummed out and frustrated with having to play in broke-dick old-assed Sutton's scheme and knew that as long as Sutton was here, he was wasting his time. I think that Houston still has a bit left in the tank, and the move to Indy will spark a little life back into him.

kcclone · 03-07-2020, 08:31 PM

I think once you find your QB- you don’t want to fall in love with any other player and over pay.

Can you get a draft pick or two plus free up some money to shore up LB, CB, IOL by trading Jones? If yes then you trade Jones if he’s not willing to take a Dynasty deal

Bump · 03-07-2020, 08:31 PM

I hope we can make it work! Chris Jones is a rare player, not too many inside lineman can do what he can do. Aaron Donald and Geno Atkins are the only two other players that I can think of.

But Veach is the best GM and he'll make the right call.

ForeverIowan · 03-07-2020, 08:36 PM

Correct me if I am wrong but did the Patriots ever come even somewhat close to making a player highest paid defender in the league during their run?

The only way you screw Mahomes over is by signing an absolutely horrid long-term deal or two. Jones is an unreal player but if he is demanding that kind of money I'd prefer to take the draft capital and extra cap space and move on. It's a risky move as Mahomes is getting ready to enter his prime. He isnt Khalil Mack.

dlphg9 · 03-07-2020, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

Correct me if I am wrong but did the Patriots ever come even somewhat close to making a player highest paid defender in the league during their run?

The only way you screw Mahomes over is by signing an absolutely horrid long-term deal or two. Jones is an unreal player but if he is demanding that kind of money I'd prefer to take the draft capital and extra cap space and move on. It's a risky move as Mahomes is getting ready to enter his prime. He isnt Khalil Mack.

https://www.patspulpit.com/2015/7/16...ts-for-players

He's more important than Khalil Mack. Edge rushers are pretty damn easy to find, but what Jones does is close to impossible to replicate. Inside pressure is so important and helps the edge rushers immensely as it keeps the QB from stepping up.

03-07-2020, 07:52 PM	Topic Starter
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1390347	Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year. Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating. If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players. There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league. 1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well 2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away. 3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting. Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.
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03-07-2020, 08:08 PM	#2
poolboy Veteran Join Date: Feb 2019 Casino cash: $-2029600	great post....i trust mr veach
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pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $6649447	CBA or no new CBA, he’s not worth that. And I love Jones.
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kcclone Veteran Join Date: Jan 2014 Casino cash: $2744900	I think once you find your QB- you don’t want to fall in love with any other player and over pay. Can you get a draft pick or two plus free up some money to shore up LB, CB, IOL by trading Jones? If yes then you trade Jones if he’s not willing to take a Dynasty deal
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Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1414895	I hope we can make it work! Chris Jones is a rare player, not too many inside lineman can do what he can do. Aaron Donald and Geno Atkins are the only two other players that I can think of. But Veach is the best GM and he'll make the right call.
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ForeverIowan Veteran Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $-449600	Correct me if I am wrong but did the Patriots ever come even somewhat close to making a player highest paid defender in the league during their run? The only way you screw Mahomes over is by signing an absolutely horrid long-term deal or two. Jones is an unreal player but if he is demanding that kind of money I'd prefer to take the draft capital and extra cap space and move on. It's a risky move as Mahomes is getting ready to enter his prime. He isnt Khalil Mack.
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