Who's your dark horse?

staylor26 · 11:51 PM

We all know Dorsey is full of surprises on draft day. Why should this year be any different?

T.J. Green, CB/S, Clemson- 6'2" with a 4.34 40. Former WR (very good ball skills). This guy screams Dorsey to me. Flashed in man coverage, but he's only played safety. Was a physical player at the safety position, so with his athletic ability he is a very intriguing potential press man convert. Green Bay made a similar move (safety to corner convert) with Randle last year and the Eagles did it with Rowe (though he had a year of experience in college at corner). He also "models his games after Eric Berry".

Daniel Jeremiah says his buddies in the scouting community tell him Green has a good shot at going at the end of the 1st to a press man team that views him as a corner.

HM: Cody Whitehair, Artie Burns (not as much of a "dark horse" now).

kccrow · 04-20-2016, 11:08 PM

I'm also going to go with a safety for the same reasons as you, but I'm going to go with one with more experience.

Vonn Bell of Ohio State.

He's the best cover safety in this draft. He's a man-cover player and does it well. He can play zone. He's got good size at 5'11" 199 and long enough arms at over 32.5". 4.51 speed is adequate. Excellent vision, footwork, quickness, and ball skills.

His position coach at OSU has stated that he feels Vonn can play CB in the pros and that he "has that skillset."

He's that guy that can play in this scheme in a variety of ways. He can play single-high. He can cover the slot. He can cover outside. He's extremely versatile and has done it at OSU at a high level.

He could also replace Eric Berry IF those contract talks don't work out for the Chiefs.

I give my honorable mentions to Michael Thomas, Tyler Boyd, and Artie Burns.

RunKC · 04-21-2016, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I'm also going to go with a safety for the same reasons as you, but I'm going to go with one with more experience.

Vonn Bell of Ohio State.

He's the best cover safety in this draft. He's a man-cover player and does it well. He can play zone. He's got good size at 5'11" 199 and long enough arms at over 32.5". 4.51 speed is adequate. Excellent vision, footwork, quickness, and ball skills.

His position coach at OSU has stated that he feels Vonn can play CB in the pros and that he "has that skillset."

He's that guy that can play in this scheme in a variety of ways. He can play single-high. He can cover the slot. He can cover outside. He's extremely versatile and has done it at OSU at a high level.

He could also replace Eric Berry IF those contract talks don't work out for the Chiefs.

I give my honorable mentions to Michael Thomas, Tyler Boyd, and Artie Burns.

Well this was my answer.

He's a Damarious Randall clone, and I'd love to have him.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-20-2016, 11:47 PM

Andrew Billings or Noah Spence

DJ's left nut · 04-21-2016, 05:42 AM

James Bradberry.

Probably a 3rd round talent but without our 3rd rounder, if we pass on a CB in the first and the rest of the 2nd tier guys have gone in the 2nd, he'd be a very nice fit as a press-man guy and if Gaines were to be able to seize the job, he has the size and instincts to fit extremely well as the hybrid S/Slot Corner that Sutton seems to have developed a fondness for.

**BossChief** · 04-25-2016, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

James Bradberry.

Probably a 3rd round talent but without our 3rd rounder, if we pass on a CB in the first and the rest of the 2nd tier guys have gone in the 2nd, he'd be a very nice fit as a press-man guy and if Gaines were to be able to seize the job, he has the size and instincts to fit extremely well as the hybrid S/Slot Corner that Sutton seems to have developed a fondness for.

Mel Kiper thinks he's this draft classes Josh Norman as a guy drafted in the 4th-5th round and becomes a big time player.

Long arms
Lots of pass breakups
Good quickness
Fluid hips out of backpedal.

You're right when you say he's the type of corner Dorsey seems to look for.

With the depth of this corner class (best CB draft in 10 years IMO) this kid will be a steal in the mid rounds.

Other corners I have my eyes on (if WJ3, Apple, Hargrove, etc are gone before we pick at 28) are Xavien Howard from Baylor, Mackenzie Alexander and Kalan Reed.

They (sans Alexander) have long arms and good ball skills.

It's a shame the kid from UNI ran such a slow 40 time...

O.city · 04-21-2016, 10:00 AM

I like Bell. He could play all over the field.

**The Franchise** · 04-21-2016, 10:07 AM

Green or Bell would definitely be interesting because of both of their abilities to switch from S to CB if needed.

DJ's left nut · 04-21-2016, 01:31 PM

I'd have thought we'd have learned our lesson about trying to convert college safeties to CB years ago.

It don't work.

O.city · 04-21-2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd have thought we'd have learned our lesson about trying to convert college safeties to CB years ago.

It don't work.

I wouldn't with bell. I'd use him in the abdullah, sorenson, etc role. Box on 3rd downs, can play some nickel corner etc.

DJ's left nut · 04-21-2016, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I wouldn't with bell. I'd use him in the abdullah, sorenson, etc role. Box on 3rd downs, can play some nickel corner etc.

Our first round pick.

On a position that we got perfectly credible play from Daniel !@#$ing Sorenson at.

Given your willingness to use first round picks on 3rd safeties and/or slot WRs, where can I comfortably draw the line as to how marginalized a position must be before you would not use a first round pick on it?

Placekicker?
Punter?
Long-Snapper?

Y'know what - perfect solution that would satisfy you and the "trade our first round pick for 15 6th rounders" crowd - Let's trade our first round pick, then trade back with that return, and back and back and back until we can completely re-build our practice squad.

Dick.

O.city · 04-21-2016, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Our first round pick.

On a position that we got perfectly credible play from Daniel !@#$ing Sorenson at.

Given your willingness to use first round picks on 3rd safeties and/or slot WRs, where can I comfortably draw the line as to how marginalized a position must be before you would not use a first round pick on it?

Placekicker?
Punter?
Long-Snapper?

Y'know what - perfect solution that would satisfy you and the "trade our first round pick for 15 6th rounders" crowd - Let's trade our first round pick, then trade back with that return, and back and back and back until we can completely re-build our practice squad.

Dick.

Look how much we use 3 safeties.

I'm thinking more deone buchannan. Sorensen is ass

**The Franchise** · 04-21-2016, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd have thought we'd have learned our lesson about trying to convert college safeties to CB years ago.

It don't work.

You shut your whore mouth.

DJ's left nut · 04-21-2016, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

You shut your whore mouth.

I regret to inform you that Von Bell's name does not lend itself to clever nicknames nearly as well as William Burntee's name did.

But hey, Eric Warfield is totally on board with this idea...presuming that he isn't driving around drunk somewhere.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-21-2016, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'd have thought we'd have learned our lesson about trying to convert college safeties to CB years ago.

It don't work.

Mackensie Alexander has the ball skills of William Bartee

04-20-2016, 10:36 PM	Topic Starter
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-1890960	Who's your dark horse? We all know Dorsey is full of surprises on draft day. Why should this year be any different? T.J. Green, CB/S, Clemson- 6'2" with a 4.34 40. Former WR (very good ball skills). This guy screams Dorsey to me. Flashed in man coverage, but he's only played safety. Was a physical player at the safety position, so with his athletic ability he is a very intriguing potential press man convert. Green Bay made a similar move (safety to corner convert) with Randle last year and the Eagles did it with Rowe (though he had a year of experience in college at corner). He also "models his games after Eric Berry". Daniel Jeremiah says his buddies in the scouting community tell him Green has a good shot at going at the end of the 1st to a press man team that views him as a corner. HM: Cody Whitehair, Artie Burns (not as much of a "dark horse" now). Last edited by staylor26; 04-20-2016 at 11:51 PM..
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kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1060000	I'm also going to go with a safety for the same reasons as you, but I'm going to go with one with more experience. Vonn Bell of Ohio State. He's the best cover safety in this draft. He's a man-cover player and does it well. He can play zone. He's got good size at 5'11" 199 and long enough arms at over 32.5". 4.51 speed is adequate. Excellent vision, footwork, quickness, and ball skills. His position coach at OSU has stated that he feels Vonn can play CB in the pros and that he "has that skillset." He's that guy that can play in this scheme in a variety of ways. He can play single-high. He can cover the slot. He can cover outside. He's extremely versatile and has done it at OSU at a high level. He could also replace Eric Berry IF those contract talks don't work out for the Chiefs. I give my honorable mentions to Michael Thomas, Tyler Boyd, and Artie Burns.
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-630901	James Bradberry. Probably a 3rd round talent but without our 3rd rounder, if we pass on a CB in the first and the rest of the 2nd tier guys have gone in the 2nd, he'd be a very nice fit as a press-man guy and if Gaines were to be able to seize the job, he has the size and instincts to fit extremely well as the hybrid S/Slot Corner that Sutton seems to have developed a fondness for. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-630901	I'd have thought we'd have learned our lesson about trying to convert college safeties to CB years ago. It don't work. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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