Chiefs Jamaal Charles Injury Could Signal End of an Era for Kansas City Chiefs

oaklandhater · 10-12-2015, 02:46 AM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...as-city-chiefs

The Kansas City Chiefs didn't just lose a battle with the Chicago Bears on Sunday at Arrowhead Stadium, but with star running back Jamaal Charles suffering what appears to be a season-ending knee injury, the Chiefs might also have lost the war.

Per ESPN's Adam Schefter, the team announced following the heartbreaking 18-17 loss that initial reports indicate Charles tore his right ACL in the third quarter, which would almost certainly spell an early end to the perennial Pro Bowler's eighth NFL season.

And considering Charles is by far the most electric player on an offense that lacks electricity, that would also spoil any hope the Chiefs might be able to fight back from a 1-4 start in the tough AFC West.

Charles wasn't just the best thing the Chiefs had going on offense, but he was pretty close to the only thing they had going for them on that side of the ball.

Checkdown-happy quarterback Alex Smith, who completed just 16-of-30 passes for 181 yards in Sunday's loss, has clear limitations, and top receiving options Jeremy Maclin and Travis Kelce are supposed to be key cogs but aren't the types of players who can carry an offense.

And while these types of situations can sometimes give life to backup running backs who shock the world, the Chiefs might not want to get their hopes up on Charcandrick West and Knile Davis, who had just 33 yards on nine carries in relief of the star on Sunday. West was undrafted out of Abilene Christian last year, while Davis has averaged just 3.4 yards per carry three years into his career.

Meanwhile, Charles entered Sunday's game averaging 5.2 yards per rushing attempt, which ranked second in football among 21 backs with at least 50 carries in the first four weeks.

oaklandhater · 10-12-2015, 02:46 AM

More at the link talk's about a rebuild and if the chiefs should keep Reid.

Hammock Parties · 10-12-2015, 02:56 AM

the golden era

oaklandhater · 10-12-2015, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

the golden era

Let it die I'm glad the chiefs won't have a RB to lean on.

FlaChief58 · 10-12-2015, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

Let it die I'm glad the chiefs won't have a RB to lean on.

Just so I'm clear on this.You want Alice to throw us to victory?

**notorious** · 10-12-2015, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Flachief58

Just so I'm clear on this.You want Alice to throw us to a blue -chip quarterback?

fyp

yes

FlaChief58 · 10-12-2015, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

fyp

yes

Ah,that's what I thought he said

ChiefRocka · 10-12-2015, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

the golden shower era

fyp

Red Dawg · 10-12-2015, 06:26 AM

If you don't have a QB nothing matters. Until the Chiefs have a GM that tells Clark to sell out and get a QB nothing will change.

Draft one in the first round and the 3rd round. Sign a vet for back up duty. If said QB's suck, then do it again 3 years later. I don't care if the next Reggie White and Randy Moss are on the board. In the NFL QB IS ALL THAT MATTERS!

It affects both sides of the ball. Offense, its obvious, but the defense needs to believe in the QB as well, If they don't you get shit play like we have seen.

rabblerouser · 10-12-2015, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

If you don't have a QB nothing matters. Until the Chiefs have a GM that tells Clark to sell out and get a QB nothing will change.

Draft one in the first round and the 3rd round. Sign a vet for back up duty. If said QB's suck, then do it again 3 years later. I don't care if the next Reggie White and Randy Moss are on the board. In the NFL QB IS ALL THAT MATTERS!

It affects both sides of the ball. Offense, its obvious, but the defense needs to believe in the QB as well, If they don't you get shit play like we have seen.

The QB affects the defense directly - sometimes, the defense needs the offense to string a few 1st downs together just to get some rest.

You wanna know the biggest reason for this 'defensive collapse'??

How many 3 and outs has our offense had??

What's our total TOP for the season??

Those are directly attributable to the QB.

Saccopoo · 10-12-2015, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

If you don't have a QB nothing matters. Until the Chiefs have a GM that tells Clark to sell out and get a QB nothing will change.

Draft one in the first round and the 3rd round. Sign a vet for back up duty. If said QB's suck, then do it again 3 years later. I don't care if the next Reggie White and Randy Moss are on the board. In the NFL QB IS ALL THAT MATTERS!

It affects both sides of the ball. Offense, its obvious, but the defense needs to believe in the QB as well, If they don't you get shit play like we have seen.

That's great and all, but spending a first on a QB in the first just to pick one in the first isn't a sure fire way to ensure that you just picked John Elway.

If you remember, Alex Smith was a first round QB. And, at the college level, he was a better QB on the field than any of the potential first round talents in the 2016 draft. Truth.

You take the best player available. You don't take a QB because the casual fan thinks you need to take a first round QB.

In fact, in the modern era (since 2000) the vast majority of first round QB's have been complete busts. Even one of the heroes of CP, Matt Stafford, just got benched this past week because he's been nothing but terrible for the majority of his career.

I have no doubt that Dorsey will pick a QB when one is there that fits his parameters and is higher on the board than other players. In the first 2+ seasons, he's completely revamped the position, bringing in Smith and Daniel, signing Bray as a rookie and drafting Murray.

No, none of them were a first round pick, but neither was Joe Montana, Tom Brady, etc. However, Brady Quinn, Tim Tebow, Jamarcus Russell, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Freeman, Vince Young, Matt Leinhart, Kyle Boller, etc., were.

This complete and utter fixation on what round a guy gets picked needs to slow it's roll.

What they do need to do is really focus on transition this off season, particularly in the draft, and make the necessary steps to get a guy who they feel will be a guy who can start progressing into a starter within a year or two. I don't know if that's Murray, who did have a stellar college career at Georgia, or if it's a player in the upcoming next two drafts.

But Dorsey hasn't shied away from the position whatsoever.

Smith was as good as it's been over the past three seasons (one can make the argument that passing on Bridgewater but he's not been overly stellar the past two years, basically averaging a pick per TD while showing average/medial level NFL game skills at best) in terms of getting a 2-14 ship righted. However, he is struggling right now and a move needs to be made in terms of moving forward at the position.

Smith is struggling during games right now and I don't think that the problems are necessarily with the offensive line versus Smith himself. You think you know what Daniel is, but he's only been given a few chances to really start in an NFL game. Give him a shot. Also, maybe, with the team at 1-4, it's time to see what they have in Murray. He's in year two and it would be a good opportunity to see if he has what it takes to be a NFL level QB. If he doesn't show the potential, they need to address the position in next several drafts each draft to make sure that they get someone in who will eventually get to the level of top 15 NFL starting QB.

But that doesn't mean blowing a first on the position just to blow a first on the position because some dipshit draftnik site lists a dude in their top 3.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 10-12-2015, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

That's great and all, but spending a first on a QB in the first just to pick one in the first isn't a sure fire way to ensure that you just picked John Elway.

If you remember, Alex Smith was a first round QB. And, at the college level, he was a better QB on the field than any of the potential first round talents in the 2016 draft. Truth.

You take the best player available. You don't take a QB because the casual fan thinks you need to take a first round QB.

In fact, in the modern era (since 2000) the vast majority of first round QB's have been complete busts. Even one of the heroes of CP, Matt Stafford, just got benched this past week because he's been nothing but terrible for the majority of his career.

I have no doubt that Dorsey will pick a QB when one is there that fits his parameters and is higher on the board than other players. In the first 2+ seasons, he's completely revamped the position, bringing in Smith and Daniel, signing Bray as a rookie and drafting Murray.

No, none of them were a first round pick, but neither was Joe Montana, Tom Brady, etc. However, Brady Quinn, Tim Tebow, Jamarcus Russell, Blaine Gabbert, Josh Freeman, Vince Young, Matt Leinhart, Kyle Boller, etc., were.

This complete and utter fixation on what round a guy gets picked needs to slow it's roll.

What they do need to do is really focus on transition this off season, particularly in the draft, and make the necessary steps to get a guy who they feel will be a guy who can start progressing into a starter within a year or two. I don't know if that's Murray, who did have a stellar college career at Georgia, or if it's a player in the upcoming next two drafts.

But Dorsey hasn't shied away from the position whatsoever.

Smith was as good as it's been over the past three seasons (one can make the argument that passing on Bridgewater but he's not been overly stellar the past two years, basically averaging a pick per TD while showing average/medial level NFL game skills at best) in terms of getting a 2-14 ship righted. However, he is struggling right now and a move needs to be made in terms of moving forward at the position.

Smith is struggling during games right now and I don't think that the problems are necessarily with the offensive line versus Smith himself. You think you know what Daniel is, but he's only been given a few chances to really start in an NFL game. Give him a shot. Also, maybe, with the team at 1-4, it's time to see what they have in Murray. He's in year two and it would be a good opportunity to see if he has what it takes to be a NFL level QB. If he doesn't show the potential, they need to address the position in next several drafts each draft to make sure that they get someone in who will eventually get to the level of top 15 NFL starting QB.

But that doesn't mean blowing a first on the position just to blow a first on the position because some dipshit draftnik site lists a dude in their top 3.

We almost had Manziel. Truth is the Browns moved right in front of us to get him.

Manziel under Reid would have been majical. I know a lot don't like Manziel but he got drafted by the Browns where drafted QB's go to die.

Reid may have utilized his talents and not tried to change him and a spectacular career would have developed before our very eyes.

**gblowfish** · 10-12-2015, 10:26 AM

I hate to be so cynical, but CHunt sees this strictly as business. And even when they suck, business is good.

He already has your money for 2015. Plus, he gets to take his wife on that nice European Vacation he promised her, so he can do that and write it off.

They will play Alex Smith until the O-Line gets his spleen lacerated again, just like last year. When they're paying a guy that kind of $, he's going to play, no matter how much he sucks. They'll literally play him until the year is over, or he gets injured and can't go.

They'll play him again next year, because they've already committed to paying him.

They'll draft a token QB in like the 4th or 5th round just for face time, but I'd be willing to bet you their first pick will be offensive line, probably another tackle, and the other picks will be defensive backs and interior line. If they pick any skill position guys, it will be fourth round or later. They might spend a third on a running back, since Charles has had two major knee injuries now.

The Chiefs seem pretty complacent with being mediocre. And they have been for quite some time now.

jd1020 · 10-12-2015, 06:26 AM

We are going to see Alex Smith start slinging it downfield next week. He no longer has Charles to bail him out on the dump offs. Here comes the Tom Brady version of Alex Smith!

rabblerouser · 10-12-2015, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

We are going to see Alex Smith start slinging it downfield next week. He no longer has Charles to bail him out on the dump offs. Here comes the Tom Brady version of Alex Smith!

Is the offensive line going to suddenly learn how to pass block too??

10-12-2015, 02:46 AM	Topic Starter
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $6008993	Jamaal Charles Injury Could Signal End of an Era for Kansas City Chiefs http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...as-city-chiefs The Kansas City Chiefs didn't just lose a battle with the Chicago Bears on Sunday at Arrowhead Stadium, but with star running back Jamaal Charles suffering what appears to be a season-ending knee injury, the Chiefs might also have lost the war. Per ESPN's Adam Schefter, the team announced following the heartbreaking 18-17 loss that initial reports indicate Charles tore his right ACL in the third quarter, which would almost certainly spell an early end to the perennial Pro Bowler's eighth NFL season. And considering Charles is by far the most electric player on an offense that lacks electricity, that would also spoil any hope the Chiefs might be able to fight back from a 1-4 start in the tough AFC West. Charles wasn't just the best thing the Chiefs had going on offense, but he was pretty close to the only thing they had going for them on that side of the ball. Checkdown-happy quarterback Alex Smith, who completed just 16-of-30 passes for 181 yards in Sunday's loss, has clear limitations, and top receiving options Jeremy Maclin and Travis Kelce are supposed to be key cogs but aren't the types of players who can carry an offense. And while these types of situations can sometimes give life to backup running backs who shock the world, the Chiefs might not want to get their hopes up on Charcandrick West and Knile Davis, who had just 33 yards on nine carries in relief of the star on Sunday. West was undrafted out of Abilene Christian last year, while Davis has averaged just 3.4 yards per carry three years into his career. Meanwhile, Charles entered Sunday's game averaging 5.2 yards per rushing attempt, which ranked second in football among 21 backs with at least 50 carries in the first four weeks.
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gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $16956178 VARSITY	I hate to be so cynical, but CHunt sees this strictly as business. And even when they suck, business is good. He already has your money for 2015. Plus, he gets to take his wife on that nice European Vacation he promised her, so he can do that and write it off. They will play Alex Smith until the O-Line gets his spleen lacerated again, just like last year. When they're paying a guy that kind of $, he's going to play, no matter how much he sucks. They'll literally play him until the year is over, or he gets injured and can't go. They'll play him again next year, because they've already committed to paying him. They'll draft a token QB in like the 4th or 5th round just for face time, but I'd be willing to bet you their first pick will be offensive line, probably another tackle, and the other picks will be defensive backs and interior line. If they pick any skill position guys, it will be fourth round or later. They might spend a third on a running back, since Charles has had two major knee injuries now. The Chiefs seem pretty complacent with being mediocre. And they have been for quite some time now.
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