Do you take Manziel at 23?

Direckshun · 01-30-2014, 11:11 AM

What if he falls?

A controversial, largely-thought-to-be-a-slam-dunk QB has dropped from time to time in the NFL Draft.

He could be Brady Quinn if we take him at 23, or he could be Aaron Rodgers.

Keep in mind, you've also likely got these candidates on the board as well:

WR Lee
WR Robinson
WR Benjamin
TE Seferian-Jenkins
OT Kouandjio
OT Richardson
OG Jackson
NT Nix
DE Tuitt
OLB Murphy
CB Dennard
S Pryor

Direckshun · 01-30-2014, 11:13 AM

I take him, FWIW.

**The Franchise** · 01-30-2014, 11:18 AM

I would take:

Lee, Robinson, Benjamin, Seferian-Jenkins, Nix, Tuitt, Murphy, Dennard and Pryor over Manziel at that point. Best case scenario....I'd trade down so someone else can take him.

Dante84 · 01-30-2014, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I would take:

Lee, Robinson, Benjamin, Seferian-Jenkins, Nix, Tuitt, Murphy, Dennard and Pryor over Manziel at that point. Best case scenario....I'd trade down so someone else can take him.

All of this.

King_Chief_Fan · 01-31-2014, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I would take:

Lee, Robinson, Benjamin, Seferian-Jenkins, Nix, Tuitt, Murphy, Dennard and Pryor over Manziel at that point. Best case scenario....I'd trade down so someone else can take him.

yes

Direckshun · 01-30-2014, 12:14 PM

I'm sorry, but if you have an opportunity to lock down your QB position for 10 years, you take it.

**The Franchise** · 01-30-2014, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm sorry, but if you have an opportunity to lock down your QB position for 10 years, you take it.

Sure....but you aren't bringing a QB to the table who can "lock down" the position for 10 years.

This dude screams bust.

OldSchool · 01-30-2014, 12:19 PM

I pass and trade out of the spot. For all of the fanfare he receives, there's a reason why he would drop that far. He's more Ryan Leaf than he is Russell Wilson as far as his personality goes.

Lex Luthor · 01-30-2014, 12:29 PM

They've already invested multiple second round draft choices on Alex Smith. You're delusional if you think they are also going to use this year's first rounder on a QB, especially when they have glaring holes at 2 or 3 other positions.

**alpha_omega** · 01-30-2014, 12:33 PM

No. maybe someone else will though...trade out and pick up an extra.

**The Franchise** · 01-30-2014, 12:35 PM

If the Browns didn't take a QB at #5.....then I would gladly let them trade up into our spot to draft that dipshit.

**BossChief** · 01-30-2014, 12:55 PM

Yes, I'd take him.

Last years 23rd pick (Shariff Floyd) signed a 4 year, 7.7 million dollar deal.

He is only 21 and has some elite traits that would translate perfectly to the WCO. Vision, instincts, decision making (on the field), mobility, playmaking ability.

I would make a lot of calls leading up to te pick letting it be known I am taking Manziel unless someone trades up and I'd hold to my word.

Dante84 · 01-30-2014, 12:58 PM

We've got Alex for another 4-5.

Manziel will either be selling insurance or in rehab by then. Perhaps both.

**BossChief** · 01-30-2014, 01:10 PM

Would you rather

draft Manziel/keep Alex this year and negotiate next year with him or tag him next year...if Andy feels he can get everything Alex gives us out of Manziel (or at least a reasonable amount) 2 years from now (or sooner if Alex gets injured) you have a very young starter FOR DIRT CHEAP. In this scenario, we have Alex and Johnny for AT LEAST the next 2 seasons.

Or

Sign Alex Smith to a market value deal right now. Cutler has the same agent as Alex Smith, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford and Drew Brees...so we can expect Condon to be asking for comparable numbers...15-18 million per year.

If we take Manziel and it works out with him as the starter over the course of the next two years, that gives the team an additional 13-16 million per year to continue to build this roster with.

I really liked how Alex Smith has stepped up, but these guys preach BPA as their philosophy and they are replaced Albert with Fisher and this is probably a comparable scenario.

All in all, it's fun to think about but these guys are all in with Alex and they wouldn't take Manziel, even if they thought he would be really good.

**The Franchise** · 01-30-2014, 02:58 PM

I don't think this is the same scenario as Albert/Fisher.

They drafted Fisher because they were forced too. They tried leveraging Albert and they failed. Couldn't sign him to a new deal....couldn't get him to move....couldn't trade him. If Albert had signed a new deal before the end of the season....do you still think they would have taken Fisher? I don't.

01-30-2014, 11:11 AM	Topic Starter
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2123447	Do you take Manziel at 23? What if he falls? A controversial, largely-thought-to-be-a-slam-dunk QB has dropped from time to time in the NFL Draft. He could be Brady Quinn if we take him at 23, or he could be Aaron Rodgers. Keep in mind, you've also likely got these candidates on the board as well: WR Lee WR Robinson WR Benjamin TE Seferian-Jenkins OT Kouandjio OT Richardson OG Jackson NT Nix DE Tuitt OLB Murphy CB Dennard S Pryor
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01-30-2014, 11:13 AM	#2
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2123447	I take him, FWIW.
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01-30-2014, 11:18 AM	#3
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2095047	I would take: Lee, Robinson, Benjamin, Seferian-Jenkins, Nix, Tuitt, Murphy, Dennard and Pryor over Manziel at that point. Best case scenario....I'd trade down so someone else can take him.
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01-30-2014, 12:14 PM	#6
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2123447	I'm sorry, but if you have an opportunity to lock down your QB position for 10 years, you take it.
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01-30-2014, 12:19 PM	#8
OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	I pass and trade out of the spot. For all of the fanfare he receives, there's a reason why he would drop that far. He's more Ryan Leaf than he is Russell Wilson as far as his personality goes.
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01-30-2014, 12:29 PM	#9
Lex Luthor MVP Join Date: Mar 2010 Casino cash: $10022775	They've already invested multiple second round draft choices on Alex Smith. You're delusional if you think they are also going to use this year's first rounder on a QB, especially when they have glaring holes at 2 or 3 other positions.
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01-30-2014, 12:33 PM	#10
alpha_omega Supporter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Liberty Casino cash: $-1560000	No. maybe someone else will though...trade out and pick up an extra.
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01-30-2014, 12:35 PM	#11
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2095047	If the Browns didn't take a QB at #5.....then I would gladly let them trade up into our spot to draft that dipshit.
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01-30-2014, 12:55 PM	#12
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1545912	Yes, I'd take him. Last years 23rd pick (Shariff Floyd) signed a 4 year, 7.7 million dollar deal. He is only 21 and has some elite traits that would translate perfectly to the WCO. Vision, instincts, decision making (on the field), mobility, playmaking ability. I would make a lot of calls leading up to te pick letting it be known I am taking Manziel unless someone trades up and I'd hold to my word. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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01-30-2014, 12:58 PM	#13
Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $-1838004 VARSITY	We've got Alex for another 4-5. Manziel will either be selling insurance or in rehab by then. Perhaps both. __________________ ..
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01-30-2014, 01:10 PM	#14
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1545912	Would you rather draft Manziel/keep Alex this year and negotiate next year with him or tag him next year...if Andy feels he can get everything Alex gives us out of Manziel (or at least a reasonable amount) 2 years from now (or sooner if Alex gets injured) you have a very young starter FOR DIRT CHEAP. In this scenario, we have Alex and Johnny for AT LEAST the next 2 seasons. Or Sign Alex Smith to a market value deal right now. Cutler has the same agent as Alex Smith, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford and Drew Brees...so we can expect Condon to be asking for comparable numbers...15-18 million per year. If we take Manziel and it works out with him as the starter over the course of the next two years, that gives the team an additional 13-16 million per year to continue to build this roster with. I really liked how Alex Smith has stepped up, but these guys preach BPA as their philosophy and they are replaced Albert with Fisher and this is probably a comparable scenario. All in all, it's fun to think about but these guys are all in with Alex and they wouldn't take Manziel, even if they thought he would be really good. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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01-30-2014, 02:58 PM	#15
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2095047	I don't think this is the same scenario as Albert/Fisher. They drafted Fisher because they were forced too. They tried leveraging Albert and they failed. Couldn't sign him to a new deal....couldn't get him to move....couldn't trade him. If Albert had signed a new deal before the end of the season....do you still think they would have taken Fisher? I don't.
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