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Chief Chief · 09-17-2007, 11:14 AM

KC @ Chicago, less than 2 minutes in the 1st half:

We kick-off and the Bears return man catches the ball on the bounce near the sideline with one foot in and then his other foot lands out.

The ref calls a penalty on KC for kicking the ball out of bounds and gives the Bears the ball at the 40.

WTF?

Also, there was another play inside 2 minutes of the first half which I thought was worthy of a review but it didn't happen.

Anyone recall that one?

**KcMizzou** · 09-17-2007, 11:16 AM

That was new to me as well.

I thought he'd be down where he stepped out.

MGRS13 · 09-17-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Chief

KC @ Chicago, less than 2 minutes in the 1st half:

We kick-off and the Bears return man catches the ball on the bounce near the sideline with one foot in and then his other foot lands out.

The ref calls a penalty on KC for kicking the ball out of bounds and gives the Bears the ball at the 4o.

Great play, good coaching. Heads up play, you gotta know the rules.

Shag · 09-17-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MGRS13

Great play, good coaching. Heads up play, you gotta know the rules.

I think that was a long way from a good play - Hester got a lucky break, IMHO. If you watch him after he notices he's out of bounds, he looked upset - I don't think he planned that. He benefited from a really stupid rule...

What possible logic is there for that rule, anyway?

**BigRedChief** · 09-17-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Chief

KC @ Chicago, less than 2 minutes in the 1st half:

We kick-off and the Bears return man catches the ball on the bounce near the sideline with one foot in and then his other foot lands out.

The ref calls a penalty on KC for kicking the ball out of bounds and gives the Bears the ball at the 40.

WTF?

Also, there was another play inside 2 minutes of the first half which I thought was worthy of a review but it didn't happen.

Anyone recall that one?

Perfectly legal. It's in the rule book. If a player catches the ball with one foot out of bounds the ball will be ruled out of bounds. They talked about it on the broadcast, about coaches trying to teach that move to players.

greg63 · 09-17-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Perfectly legal. It's in the rule book. If a player catches the ball with one foot out of bounds the ball will be ruled out of bounds. They talked about it on the broadcast, about coaches trying to teach that move to players.

This is, in fact, the case.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-17-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by greg63

This is, in fact, the case.

I don't think anyone is arguing that.

He wasn't OOB when he first touched the ball.

He caught the ball, THEN stepped OOB with his right foot.

I could be wrong, but he needs to establish position with one foot OOB BEFORE he touches the ball.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to get another "we ****ed up" letter from the league this week.

donkhater · 09-17-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I don't think anyone is arguing that.

He wasn't OOB when he first touched the ball.

He caught the ball, THEN stepped OOB with his right foot.

I could be wrong, but he needs to establish position with one foot OOB BEFORE he touches the ball.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to get another "we ****ed up" letter from the league this week.

In fact it is the opposite. He has to catch the ball and establish both feet INBOUNDS for it to be a legal catch, just as if he was recieving a pass. The fact that his second foot landed out of bounds meant that the kick was out of bounds as well.

It was the right call. Clearly Hester thought he f**ked up. He got lucky.

kc rush · 09-17-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by donkhater

In fact it is the opposite. He has to catch the ball and establish both feet INBOUNDS for it to be a legal catch, just as if he was recieving a pass. The fact that his second foot landed out of bounds meant that the kick was out of bounds as well.

It was the right call. Clearly Hester thought he f**ked up. He got lucky.

I know that this sounds ridiculous, but does that mean a return man could bat the kickoff to someone standing out of bounds and it would be a penalty on the kicking team?

I guess I should try to find the rulebook to see how things are worded, it may negate my scenario above, but if not, KC Fish is right, there are a number of things you could do to take advantage of the situation.

Third Eye · 09-17-2007, 11:17 AM

I was just going to post the same question. I was in a noisy bar and couldn't hear the announcers well. All I could hear was "it's a little known rule.."

BigChiefFan · 09-17-2007, 11:19 AM

I've never heard of that rule in all of my life. Whatever. It was legit and our kicker shouldn't have been kicking to him in the first place. Did we forget that during the game? The ineptness has spread like wildfire.

Fish · 09-17-2007, 11:24 AM

So.... could a player catch the ball on one foot while leaping out of bounds? Because his second foot(out of bounds) wasn't down when he caught the ball.

This seems it would be easy to exploit....

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-17-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

So.... could a player catch the ball on one foot while leaping out of bounds? Because his second foot(out of bounds) wasn't down when he caught the ball.

This seems it would be easy to exploit....

That's what I didn't understand.

I understand the rule to mean that Hester could have established position OOB before he touched the ball.

That didn't happen. He touched the ball before he established position OOB.

Chest Rockwell · 09-17-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

So.... Because his second foot(out of bounds) wasn't down when he caught the ball.

I noticed he caught the ball before his foot was down out of bounds too, and it confused me. Seemed like all the explanations were saying it was because he had one foot out of bounds when the ball was caught, which technically wasn't true...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-17-2007, 11:55 AM

FWIW, I'd rather have an explanation about the obvious missed block in the back on Bennett during Hester's TD.

09-17-2007, 11:14 AM	Topic Starter
Chief Chief Veteran Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	Explain This KC @ Chicago, less than 2 minutes in the 1st half: We kick-off and the Bears return man catches the ball on the bounce near the sideline with one foot in and then his other foot lands out. The ref calls a penalty on KC for kicking the ball out of bounds and gives the Bears the ball at the 40. WTF? Also, there was another play inside 2 minutes of the first half which I thought was worthy of a review but it didn't happen. Anyone recall that one?
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Fish Ain't no relax! Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $-1191081	So.... could a player catch the ball on one foot while leaping out of bounds? Because his second foot(out of bounds) wasn't down when he caught the ball. This seems it would be easy to exploit.... __________________
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