"The refs!!!" and generational QBs

[RealSNR]

I've noticed that no matter what Mahomes does, there will always be a portion of opposing NFL fans who are both too stupid and too prideful to bend the knee. The problem for them is Mahomes has accomplished everything he needs to do to be a part of NFL QB Mt. Rushmore before he's even 30 years old, so they're going to latch on to the one bulletproof excuse they have left: The refs!

You saw it with that Kermit Raider fan wearing a Mahomes/ref kissing shirt. Go to any reddit/twatter/facespace/whatever thread and some hater will chime in with "Y no holding callz in teh Super Bowlz???"

Then it occurred to me that many of us were doing the same thing when it was our QBless trainwreck franchise trying to beat Manning, Brady, etc. for years. Even now I think back to that AFCC game and that ****ing horrific fake roughing call on Jones and the no-fumble verdict on Edelman and I can't help but shake my head and think those calls go different ways if we're not playing Brady.

So I guess now that I'm on the other side of things, and the losers who scream REFS! at all of Mahomes' accomplishments are making asses of themselves, I feel like I need to make a time machine and go back and slap myself in the face for being a sourpuss hater.

Are you in the same boat?

[Rain Man]

I think the counterpoint is that we were correct back then. brady got all of the calls for his entire career to a degree that cannot elude suspicion. Manning got all of the calls in his final season when he was the 33rd-ranked QB in a 32-team league.

And now? We see the greatness of Mahomes that not only does not get favorable treatment, but he doesn't need favorable treatment.

So no. We were correct back then and we're correct now.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I think the counterpoint is that we were correct back then. brady got all of the calls for his entire career to a degree that cannot elude suspicion. Manning got all of the calls in his final season as the league when he was the 33rd-ranked QB in a 32-team league.

And now? We see the greatness of Mahomes that not only does not get favorable treatment, but he doesn't need favorable treatment.

So no. We were correct back then and we're correct now.

This makes me feel better. Thank you.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

This makes me feel better. Thank you.

I'm glad to clear that up.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I think the counterpoint is that we were correct back then. brady got all of the calls for his entire career to a degree that cannot elude suspicion. Manning got all of the calls in his final season when he was the 33rd-ranked QB in a 32-team league.

And now? We see the greatness of Mahomes that not only does not get favorable treatment, but he doesn't need favorable treatment.

So no. We were correct back then and we're correct now.

I am rarely one to point and blame refs, but I just can’t fathom how in SB LV they had a ref there who was so enamored with Brady that she named her son after him. Was she unbiased? Possibly, but that’s very suspicious and poor optics.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I think the counterpoint is that we were correct back then. brady got all of the calls for his entire career to a degree that cannot elude suspicion. Manning got all of the calls in his final season when he was the 33rd-ranked QB in a 32-team league.

And now? We see the greatness of Mahomes that not only does not get favorable treatment, but he doesn't need favorable treatment.

So no. We were correct back then and we're correct now.

This all day. The baseless accusations of butthurt fans about Mahomes do not in any way invalidate the factual claims about Brady that are on video and easy to go back and watch for ourselves. So many instances.

Where are the "smoking gun" examples about Mahomes? Him getting hit out of bounds by several yards? A defensive holding penalty that is on video and the defender admitted to? There's nothing.

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

I've noticed that no matter what Mahomes does, there will always be a portion of opposing NFL fans who are both too stupid and too prideful to bend the knee. The problem for them is Mahomes has accomplished everything he needs to do to be a part of NFL QB Mt. Rushmore before he's even 30 years old, so they're going to latch on to the one bulletproof excuse they have left: The refs!

You saw it with that Kermit Raider fan wearing a Mahomes/ref kissing shirt. Go to any reddit/twatter/facespace/whatever thread and some hater will chime in with "Y no holding callz in teh Super Bowlz???"

Then it occurred to me that many of us were doing the same thing when it was our QBless trainwreck franchise trying to beat Manning, Brady, etc. for years. Even now I think back to that AFCC game and that ****ing horrific fake roughing call on Jones and the no-fumble verdict on Edelman and I can't help but shake my head and think those calls go different ways if we're not playing Brady.

So I guess now that I'm on the other side of things, and the losers who scream REFS! at all of Mahomes' accomplishments are making asses of themselves, I feel like I need to make a time machine and go back and slap myself in the face for being a sourpuss hater.

Are you in the same boat?

I agree, mostly. I can't really argue with the Edelman fumble because I couldn't see anywhere on the replay where he had touched it, but we got the ball back on a Sorensen interception almost immediately. The Chris Jones roughing as absolute bullshit though.

[Megatron96]

Yeah, same.


Whenever a great QB comes along and dominates year after year, that’s when the hate and the accusations about cheating, ref issues, or whatever starts. Happened with Montana, Manning, Brady, and now it’s just Pat’s turn. And let’s face it, people love conspiracy theories.


I think Pat has gotten a few calls maybe he shouldn’t have, but there’s also a bunch he didn’t get that I think he should’ve. Is what it is.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Yeah, same.


Whenever a great QB comes along and dominates year after year, that’s when the hate and the accusations about cheating, ref issues, or whatever starts. Happened with Montana, Manning, Brady, and now it’s just Pat’s turn. And let’s face it, people love conspiracy theories.


I think Pat has gotten a few calls maybe he shouldn’t have, but there’s also a bunch he didn’t get that I think he should’ve. Is what it is.

With Brady there's documented evidence, and the most damning was destroyed by Goodell.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

With Brady there's documented evidence, and the most damning was destroyed by Goodell.

Meh, some of the cheating scandals were 'real,' others not so much. Deflategate was just stupid. 1.5 lb. of air pressure difference is insignificant. And they fixed it before the second half, and after that NE went on to score 24 points or whatever. So that was irrelevant.

The filming of the other team's practices (think that was NYJ?) was also kind of dumb. Who needs to film the hapless Jets practices?


At the end of the day, Brady was elite for nearly 20 years. And Bill fielded great defenses for almost that entire span, many times without HoF players. I can't fathom crying about now.

[Chief Pagan]

It used to be, in general, the D could put bigger hits on QBs than now.

But Brady and Peyton for the second half of their careers were absolutely more protected than other QBs.

Now all QBs are more protected, in general. So I don't think Mahomes will ever get the benefit Brady did in that regard.

Say in games where Brady wasn't playing KC, I was kind of mixed. I didn't root for him but I didn't hate him. I respected what he accomplished. But say in playoff games (again where KC was not involved) he did seem to get PI calls at key moments more often than mere mortal QBs.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Meh, some of the cheating scandals were 'real,' others not so much. Deflategate was just stupid. 1.5 lb. of air pressure difference is insignificant. And they fixed it before the second half, and after that NE went on to score 24 points or whatever. So that was irrelevant.

The filming of the other team's practices (think that was NYJ?) was also kind of dumb. Who needs to film the hapless Jets practices?


At the end of the day, Brady was elite for nearly 20 years. And Bill fielded great defenses for almost that entire span, many times without HoF players. I can't fathom crying about now.

You see that was what's revealed, but evidently the stuff that wasn't disclosed was dead to rights criminal. Roger destroyed it because he didn't want any other ruling forces like an incoming commissioner striping the Patriots of their titles after Goodell retires

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

You see that was what was revealed, but evidently the stuff that wasn't disclosed was dead to rights criminal. Roger destroyed it because he didn't want any other ruling forces like incoming commissioner striping the Patriots of their titles after Goodell retires

Destroyed it because he knew Congress would eventually come looking for it. He gave the excuse that there was film on current teams but it was clear that it was to protect the shield and Kraft. The NFL from Congress deciding that they need to be broken up and Kraft from other owners voting to force a sale.

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

The filming of the other team's practices (think that was NYJ?) was also kind of dumb. Who needs to film the hapless Jets practices?

The filming of other teams' practices was definitely real. When the NFL investigated the filming of the Jets' practices, they found the Patriots had a room with film on nearly, if not every, other NFL team. The NFL ordered the Patriots to destroy all of the films without doing any investigation into how much wider the issue actually reached. Couldn't handle the scandal.

[Bump]

The refs love the Chiefs so much that they threw more flags on our players than anyone else! At least on offense.

We have the most penalized player in the league playing right tackle and Sneed was 5th for most penalties in the league.

Haters just hating for the sake of hating.