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Old 03-20-2023, 09:23 AM   Topic Starter
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Interesting Take on the OBJ to Cincy, Odell and DHop situations
Guy has some really good points - I enjoy his takes.
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Old 03-20-2023, 09:27 AM   #2
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Can you summarize?

It's 16 minutes long.
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Old 03-20-2023, 09:32 AM   #3
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Can you summarize?

It's 16 minutes long.
"The end of the road" in the thumbnail reeks of clickbait.
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Old 03-20-2023, 09:39 AM   #4
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Can you summarize?

It's 16 minutes long.
OBJ is a really good buisnessman - the contract he took, with Cincy, while less than what KC gave Jawaan was front loaded with the last 2 years option years. He could cancel his last 2 years at the age of 28 and go for the big bucks on a third contract.

Jawaan has a worse overall PFF grade for his position compared to OBJ. Doesn't think KC is done with OL and is still going to pursue another LT. Talks about Tunsil still.

Jawaan 2022 - 58.7
Jawaan 2021 - 60.4
Jawaan 2020 - 56.5
Jawaan 2019 - 63.7

OBJ 2022 - 75.8
OBJ 2021 - 75.4
OBJ 2020 - 76.5
OBJ 2019 - 72.0

He mentions PFF isn't the greatest metric but that when trying to grade OL its the best there is.

Chiefs trying to "plan something bigger" with all these "cap saving" moves. Mentions OBJ and DHop as realistic possibilities (talks about WR's "Blowing up" Patricks phone)
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Old 03-20-2023, 10:00 AM   #5
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OBJ is a really good buisnessman - the contract he took, with Cincy, while less than what KC gave Jawaan was front loaded with the last 2 years option years. He could cancel his last 2 years at the age of 28 and go for the big bucks on a third contract.

Jawaan has a worse overall PFF grade for his position compared to OBJ. Doesn't think KC is done with OL and is still going to pursue another LT. Talks about Tunsil still.

Jawaan 2022 - 58.7
Jawaan 2021 - 60.4
Jawaan 2020 - 56.5
Jawaan 2019 - 63.7

OBJ 2022 - 75.8
OBJ 2021 - 75.4
OBJ 2020 - 76.5
OBJ 2019 - 72.0

He mentions PFF isn't the greatest metric but that when trying to grade OL its the best there is.

Chiefs trying to "plan something bigger" with all these "cap saving" moves. Mentions OBJ and DHop as realistic possibilities (talks about WR's "Blowing up" Patricks phone)
Oh awesome, another YouTube dipshit puking up all the shit that has already been discussed ad nauseum. And not only that it's another dipshit that uses PFF grades for offensive lineman.

Jawaan Taylor is a better athlete that OBJ and a better pass blocker. He is better suited for the Chiefs' offense than OBJ was. If OBJ was actually a "really good businessman" he would have took the deal KC offered him last offseason. After OBJ looks average at LT blocking for Joe Burrow, he's going to either finally have to move to RT to continue to get paid a starters salary.
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Old 03-20-2023, 10:09 AM   #6
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Can you summarize?

It's 16 minutes long.
First ~2½ mins unrelated to Chiefs, talks about some gambling club or something, I skimmed over it.

Bases his entire opinion on Brown and Taylor on PFF grades. Immediately acknowledges PFF's shortcomings, but says it's the only thing out there to rate o-linemen. No tape of Taylor showing the wide gap in terms of athleticism, but acknowledges that OBJr had one of the worst combine showings ever and backs it up with his combine tape.

His conclusion is that losing OBJr could have more of an impact then losing Tyreek because according to him, keeping Mahomes upright is more important. Says this swap of OTs is okay if Taylor plays RT, not okay if he plays LT. Didn't seem to indicate that he had really watched Taylor play or studied any tape of him to reach these conclusions, based his opinion on PFF's grades.

Thinks the Chiefs won't go into next season with MVS and Justyn Ross as their top WRs. Didn't mention Toney or Moore.
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First ~2½ mins unrelated to Chiefs, talks about some gambling club or something, I skimmed over it.

Bases his entire opinion on Brown and Taylor on PFF grades. Immediately acknowledges PFF's shortcomings, but says it's the only thing out there to rate o-linemen. No tape of Taylor showing the wide gap in terms of athleticism, but acknowledges that OBJr had one of the worst combine showings ever and backs it up with his combine tape.

His conclusion is that losing OBJr could have more of an impact then losing Tyreek because according to him, keeping Mahomes upright is more important. Says this swap of OTs is okay if Taylor plays RT, not okay if he plays LT. Didn't seem to indicate that he had really watched Taylor play or studied any tape of him to reach these conclusions, based his opinion on PFF's grades.

Thinks the Chiefs won't go into next season with MVS and Justyn Ross as their top WRs. Didn't mention Toney or Moore.
What in the actual ****? This dude is an idiot then.
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What in the actual ****? This dude is an idiot then.
You don't think Mahomes having a solid O-Line is key? Especially after watching the Bucs/Chiefs SB?
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You don't think Mahomes having a solid O-Line is key? Especially after watching the Bucs/Chiefs SB?
Dude....the guy literally said that Taylor isn't a LT but is purely basing that off of PFF grades and not watching him play. Then goes on to say that our top WRs are MVS and Justyn ****ing Ross. This dude is an idiot.
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So nothing really new that hasn't already been said?
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So nothing really new that hasn't already been said?
Nope. Just another dudes opinion on youtube
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So nothing really new that hasn't already been said?
I'm sorry I don't read all 1000 pages of a megathread to glean this information. Some of us actually have lives off the internet and enjoy a 16 minute video over hours of reading (mostly) meaningless posts.


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I'm sorry I don't read all 1000 pages of a megathread to glean this information. Some of us actually have lives off the internet and enjoy a 16 minute video over hours of reading (mostly) meaningless posts.


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Did I crawl up your ass about posting it? Nope. All I said was that what he's said has already been talked about.

And I'm assuming he filmed this before Tunsil signed his new deal because yeah...the Chiefs are probably done at LT now that they have Taylor.
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Did I crawl up your ass about posting it? Nope. All I said was that what he's said has already been talked about.

And I'm assuming he filmed this before Tunsil signed his new deal because yeah...the Chiefs are probably done at LT now that they have Taylor.
I'm just being sensitve this morning - nevermind me - he posted it yesterday and while I haven't studied the contract Tunisl got it isn't out the ordinary for a team to extend/restructure a guy before trading him.
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I'm just being sensitve this morning - nevermind me - he posted it yesterday and while I haven't studied the contract Tunisl got it isn't out the ordinary for a team to extend/restructure a guy before trading him.
It would be extremely out of the ordinary to trade him now. Trading him would mean they lose cap space ($20 million this year alone). Tunsil to KC is dead.
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