Chiefs Mahomes should feel right at home after tonight.

JDKinman · 08-11-2017, 10:17 PM

The Chiefs looked like his old college team last year--

• No offensive line

• Play/momentum-killing penalties

• A tight end (Escobar) who couldn't catch a cold in an incubator

• No run game

• A defense that couldn't wrap up and tackle one-legged nuns playing for The Over-the-Sacred Hill Sisters of the Invalid.

The difference tonight versus his final season at Tech was that this evening, he showed discipline in doing what the coaches told him to do and not trying to freelance every play.

That TD pass he threw? Tech fans and alumni have seen that pass dozens of times. It's almost a Mahomes trademark--but it doesn't make the highlight reels because he makes it look too easy.

Stave just needs to go. He ain't it and never is going to be.

Conclusion: Mahomes got his first NFL game under his belt, stayed cool, made no major mistakes.

Mission accomplished.

JD

Best22 · 08-11-2017, 10:29 PM

He'll look better with the first team

The backup offensive line is trash

penbrook · 08-11-2017, 10:30 PM

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He'll look better with the first team

The backup offensive line is trash

#62 needs to be cut

OldSchool · 08-11-2017, 10:31 PM

Eh, I wouldn't blame Escobar too much for that failed endzone pass. Mahomes was just plain inaccurate on that throw and Escobar was open for a pretty long time on the play too. made it way more difficult than it needed to be.

penbrook · 08-11-2017, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Eh, I wouldn't blame Escobar too much for that failed endzone pass. Mahomes was just plain inaccurate on that throw and Escobar was open for a pretty long time on the play too. made it way more difficult than it needed to be.

Escobar went to the same alligator arm school that Albert Wilson went to

WhiteWhale · 08-11-2017, 10:36 PM

I saw Mahomes make plays called back on penalties. Showed the arm. Showed the improvision. I'm okay. He's playing with scrubs.

And apparently all of these guys who won't make the roster suck. Big ****ing surprise.

#2. Let him play with some guys who will actually be on the goddamn team.

OldSchool · 08-11-2017, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

I saw Mahomes make plays called back on penalties. Showed the arm. Showed the improvision. I'm okay. He's playing with scrubs.

And apparently all of these guys who won't make the roster suck. Big ****ing surprise.

#2. Let him play with some guys who will actually be on the goddamn team.

How would you judge him compared to what the other rookie QBs did with pretty much the same handicaps in terms of talent level?

Trub? Kizer? Watson? And hell, even the guy playing on the other team, Beathard?

JDKinman · 08-11-2017, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Eh, I wouldn't blame Escobar too much for that failed endzone pass. Mahomes was just plain inaccurate on that throw and Escobar was open for a pretty long time on the play too. made it way more difficult than it needed to be.

We had Escobar in Dallas last year. There's a reason he's gone.

Mahomes had Jace Amaro as a go-to tight-end at Tech. What I wouldn't give for him to have a Tony Gonzales in KC. . .

JD

ChiefsCountry · 08-11-2017, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JDKinman

We had Escobar in Dallas last year. There's a reason he's gone.

Mahomes had Jace Amaro as a go-to tight-end at Tech. What I wouldn't give for him to have a Tony Gonzales in KC. . .

JD

Kelce is no Tony G but he is no slouch.

WhiteWhale · 08-11-2017, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

How would you judge him compared to what the other rookie QBs did with pretty much the same handicaps in terms of talent level?

Trub? Kizer? Watson? And hell, even the guy playing on the other team, Beathard?

I liked Kizer, glad to see he played well.

Can't say I watched all those guys snap for snap though. Did you?

Beathard did a good job on that long one spotting the falling player, but overall our 3rd team DB's were shit. Huge openings. The scrub DB's just seemed mismatched against their scrub WR's, and the playcalling was more aggressive. That TD Mahomes threw was tightly played.

JDKinman · 08-11-2017, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

How would you judge him compared to what the other rookie QBs did with pretty much the same handicaps in terms of talent level?

Trub? Kizer? Watson? And hell, even the guy playing on the other team, Beathard?

No comparison with Beathard tonight. When your running game can pulverize the defense, it opens up the passing game. Chiefs never had a chance to try that out as we had no running game, no blocking and no discipline (penalties).

As I stated in the original post--tonight was just another game for Mahomes except that he was wearing an arrowhead on his helmet rather than a double-T.

I don't think the other rookie quarterbacks had the penalty problems that KC had and they sure as hell had a better running game.

JD

**mdchiefsfan** · 08-11-2017, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

Eh, I wouldn't blame Escobar too much for that failed endzone pass. Mahomes was just plain inaccurate on that throw and Escobar was open for a pretty long time on the play too. made it way more difficult than it needed to be.

As usual, this is one of those situations that blame can be applied equally.

I feel Mahomes could've thrown it lower without much risk.

I feel Escobar could've extended his hands past his elbows to grab it. I mean what is the point of a TE if you can't rely on him to go higher for the ball?

Rasputin · 08-11-2017, 10:47 PM

Patrick did a good job for his debut despite his team.

He should have earned all of second string reps and get to play after Alex in the next preseason game.

Tyler is a waste of time he is as good as third string and that's his ceiling there is no upside to Tyler Bray getting hold the second string spot.

**RealSNR** · 08-11-2017, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

How would you judge him compared to what the other rookie QBs did with pretty much the same handicaps in terms of talent level?

Trub? Kizer? Watson? And hell, even the guy playing on the other team, Beathard?

Kizer looked the best of the group.

Then I'd say Mahomes had the second best day. JDKinsman is absolutely right. That TD pass is a play that other QBs in the NFL don't throw because they CAN'T. Throwing across your body even slightly is shunned in this league, and Mahomes makes it look effortless. He's going to use that a lot, and I don't think Reid and his staff are going to "coach" that out of him. Nor should they. THAT'S why you drafted this kid.

Trubisky was pretty good, though he looked a lot more erratic and less confident than Mahomes. He made big plays and didn't screw up, though. Not much more you can expect from a rookie.

Watson is the worst of the bunch. You were criticizing Mahomes earlier for his mechanics? What do you think Watson just put up yesterday? O

Two plays stand out in my mind and are evidently clear why Mahomes is a real professional QB and why Watson should take his talents to Canada if he wants a long term impact with a team. Those simple dig routes that Mahomes throws through tight windows--- one to Gehrig, and one to Robinson (again, called back on a penalty). Those were absolute dart throws. Tons of velocity with good location for the receiver to pick up on them without having to do a body contortion to have a shot at it. A throw Brett Favre has had success with hundreds of times with Donald Driver alone.

Those are the throws that make Mahomes so valuable. There are some very good starting QBs in the league right now who CAN'T make those simple 15-yard throws with the requisite velocity for a completion.

Watson is one of those guys who can't make those throws. You also compound that with his INACCURACY when even attempting a throw near the height of his velocity or throwing distance, and he becomes a real mess. Good playmaker, confident in the pocket (or whatever he would call one) and has a great clock in his head, knowing when he has to evade pressure. But he's got a problem with his arm-- the same problem that Doug Flutie had.

bigjosh · 08-11-2017, 11:03 PM

What i want to see next saturday is as follows:

Stave stays on the ****ing bench/holding a clipboard.

Mahomes plays with the number 2 team.

Bray cleans up whatever slop is left. That experiment is never going to come to fruition.

isaiah battle ****s himself on the sideline.

When mahomes is on the field, stop giving the rock to charcandrick west on 2nd and 3rd down. He is ****ing terrible. He killed a drive on 2nd and 1 and 3rd and 1.

Spiller jumps in front of west and plays more snaps.

Hunt gets more snaps.

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JDKinman Starter Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: In an airplane hangar Casino cash: $10000400	Mahomes should feel right at home after tonight. The Chiefs looked like his old college team last year-- • No offensive line • Play/momentum-killing penalties • A tight end (Escobar) who couldn't catch a cold in an incubator • No run game • A defense that couldn't wrap up and tackle one-legged nuns playing for The Over-the-Sacred Hill Sisters of the Invalid. The difference tonight versus his final season at Tech was that this evening, he showed discipline in doing what the coaches told him to do and not trying to freelance every play. That TD pass he threw? Tech fans and alumni have seen that pass dozens of times. It's almost a Mahomes trademark--but it doesn't make the highlight reels because he makes it look too easy. Stave just needs to go. He ain't it and never is going to be. Conclusion: Mahomes got his first NFL game under his belt, stayed cool, made no major mistakes. Mission accomplished. JD
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OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	Eh, I wouldn't blame Escobar too much for that failed endzone pass. Mahomes was just plain inaccurate on that throw and Escobar was open for a pretty long time on the play too. made it way more difficult than it needed to be.
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bigjosh Mahomosapien Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: the great white north Casino cash: $-1865098	What i want to see next saturday is as follows: Stave stays on the **ing bench/holding a clipboard. Mahomes plays with the number 2 team. Bray cleans up whatever slop is left. That experiment is never going to come to fruition. isaiah battle s himself on the sideline. When mahomes is on the field, stop giving the rock to charcandrick west on 2nd and 3rd down. He is **ing terrible. He killed a drive on 2nd and 1 and 3rd and 1. Spiller jumps in front of west and plays more snaps. Hunt gets more snaps.
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WhiteWhale Bring it on Ahab! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Doo-Dah Casino cash: $10015152	I saw Mahomes make plays called back on penalties. Showed the arm. Showed the improvision. I'm okay. He's playing with scrubs. And apparently all of these guys who won't make the roster suck. Big ****ing surprise. #2. Let him play with some guys who will actually be on the goddamn team.
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