I was listening to Coli Cowherd on the radio

[jjchieffan]

He was slamming Denver for bad drafting. He said forget about Cutler for now, and then cited the Maurice Clarret pick and trading away draft picks for marginal players. We have discussed our own poor drafting in here numerous times, but I never really thought about the . Is he right? I think they did pretty well on TD an Portis. Shanarat has been reputed for drafting good backs in late rounds, but is that all hes done well?

[Sure-Oz]

Clarett is their Medlock, just a round higher haha

[Hammock Parties]

The Broncos can't draft for shit. Look at their best players:

Walker - trade
Bly - trade
Bailey - trade
Lynch - FA
Henry - FA
Graham - FA

They have a couple of good offensive linemen and some mediocre linebackers that they drafted. That's about it. Cutler and Brandon Marshall might be good picks.

The Rat has busted tons of first-round picks. More than the Chiefs for sure.

[ClevelandBronco]

The draft is not Shanny's friend as a rule. I think he confirmed that theory himself this past year when he decided to draft only three players. A F.O. that thinks that the draft is a strength doesn't pull a move like that.

[SoCalBronco]

Too early to assess the 2007 draft.

In 2006, we hit on a record 75% of our picks, we probably had the best draft of anyone in 2006.

In 2005, we hit on 58% (3.5 out of 6). Again, very strong.

In 2004, we hit on 30%, which is about average.


In 2003, we hit on 0%, which is obviously terrible.

On the whole though, it has been pretty decent, especially lately.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

In 2005, we hit on 58% (3.5 out of 6). Again, very strong.

. 58 percent?

Darrent Williams - dead
Karl Paymah - bust
Dom Foxworth - good pick
Maurice Clarett - bust
Chris Myers - decent pick
Paul Ernster - bust

That's 2 good picks out of six.

2004 draft was pure shit. Two players from that draft are on your roster. DJ looks like a bust and Shoate is a scrub.

Now look at the years prior. Deltha O'Neal? Willie Middlebrooks? Lelie? George Foster? Shitbags like Terry Pierce, Paul Toviessi and Darius Watts in the second round?

Overall, Shanny sucks in the draft.

[Zeke Ziggle]

Darrent Williams was on his way to being very good. They have also put talent over attitude i.e clarett Marcus thomas.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Zeke Ziggle

Darrent Williams was on his way to being very good. They have also put talent over attitude i.e clarett Marcus thomas.

Ask Reggie Wayne how good Darrent was.

He burned that motherfucker like an Auschwitz oven last year.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by GOATSE

. 58 percent?

Darrent Williams - dead
Karl Paymah - bust
Dom Foxworth - good pick
Maurice Clarett - bust
Chris Myers - decent pick
Paul Ernster - bust

That's 2 good picks out of six.

2004 draft was pure shit. Two players from that draft are on your roster. DJ looks like a bust and Shoate is a scrub.

Now look at the years prior. Deltha O'Neal? Willie Middlebrooks? Lelie? George Foster? Shitbags like Terry Pierce, Paul Toviessi and Darius Watts in the second round?

Overall, Shanny sucks in the draft.

Darrent was going to be decent for them.. Star no, but decent starter.. As for stars lately they have been missing.. We won't know about Cutler for a few more years... imo

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by GOATSE

. 58 percent?

Darrent Williams - dead
Karl Paymah - bust
Dom Foxworth - good pick
Maurice Clarett - bust
Chris Myers - decent pick
Paul Ernster - bust

That's 2 good picks out of six.

2004 draft was pure shit. Two players from that draft are on your roster. DJ looks like a bust and Shoate is a scrub.

Now look at the years prior. Deltha O'Neal? Willie Middlebrooks? Lelie? George Foster? Shitbags like Terry Pierce, Paul Toviessi and Darius Watts in the second round?

Overall, Shanny sucks in the draft.

Darrent was a good player. That he passed away does not somehow invalidate that. I classified that as a hit. Paymah was my "half" pick. He is a good dime back and might be a good nickel back too. Foxworth was good we both agree. Clarett a bust, we both agree. Myers another hit (esp for a 6th rounder). Ernster is a bust, we agree. We arent disagreeing much here, GoChiefs. 3.5 out of 6.

DJ is NOT a bust. You are just saying to get under MY skin specifically when you KNOW it is not true. He is an outstanding will, a solid Sam and is learning the Mike position with one pretty good game so far, one decent game and one poor game. He's been a very good starter for the Broncos for several years now. Even at Sam, PFW said he was the 9th best OLB in the entire league, even out of position. So it is ignorant to say he is "looking like a bust" when he has been a very good player for several years. I wish he was never moved from Will, he probably would have been in his first or second pro bowl by now. Unfortunately, Shanny made decisions based on favorite sons rather than merit and brought back that puny POS Gold when he had no business returning to this team. I classified Tatum as a hit given that by his last year here, he was a pretty good player and served as a solid starter even if he wasnt a great fit for the team. He was very productive in 06 and pretty productive in a rotation the last few years prior. He also provided most of the compensation to the Lions to get Bly, so he contributed alot of value to this team. Shoate is kinda like Paymah where it is a half a hit type of thing. He's a good dime guy, he isnt very fast but he's smart and a strong corner (physically). He is a good contributor. When I noted 30%, the final guy I was thinking of was Sapp (UDFA 2004 Draft), but if I wanted to i could push it with half a hit for Shoate but I took the more conservative route so as not to be homer.

I already said 2003 was 0%, you brought up some of those names, I dont know what you are thinking there, I already said 2003 was a disaster, but that is one of many drafts and outside of that we have done pretty well.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Darrent was going to be decent for them..

And SlyMo was going to be decent for us.

I classified Tatum as a hit

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by GOATSE

And SlyMo was going to be decent for us.

Why is that so funny?

He showed some flashes in 2004. Did pretty well in a rotation in 05 and had his best year and was very productive in 06, improving the weaknesses of his game (most importantly, breaking tackles) alot. He still was not a good system fit, he never had good vision and tripped up way too much, but he was a solid but not great player. In addition to the years of productive service he gave us, he also provided 90% of the compensation needed to get Bly. This is a very rational argument in favor of classifying him as a hit. Guys dont have to be Pro Bowlers to be hits, GoChiefs.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Why is that so funny?

He showed some flashes in 2004. Did pretty well in a rotation in 05 and had his best year and was very productive in 06, improving the weaknesses of his game (most importantly, breaking tackles) alot. He still was not a good system fit, he never had good vision and tripped up way too much, but he was a solid but not great player. In addition to the years of productive service he gave us, he also provided 90% of the compensation needed to get Bly. This is a very rational argument in favor of classifying him as a hit. Guys dont have to be Pro Bowlers to be hits, GoChiefs.

An early second round pick should be a damned good player to be considered a hit.

The only thing Bell has proven so far is that he can be an Ok scat back for a change of pace.

That's a heavy price to pay for a platoon running back.

[Anyong Bluth]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Ask Reggie Wayne how good Darrent was.

He burned that motherfucker like an Auschwitz oven last year.

rep, simply for me not having to say it. I know the guy passed away tragically, but seriously? He wasn't on his way to doing squat.

Shanny's draft's have been poor. He has picked up FA left and right to fill needs, and since Kub's has left the O has looked sad. Maybe not as sad as ours, but he's also changed D coordinators about 100 times. The guy has done nothing since Elway retired. He is Marty living on borrowed time. Here's to Denver keeping the genius around.

P.S. His son and Simms may have the gayest "friendship" ever publicly reported on in the NFL...

ENJOY.. http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.c...d_for_life.pdf

[Anyong Bluth]

Story from link above. The planet was acting screwy and wouldn't post it all in 1 post, and it might be easier to read from the link. But, I posted for the lazy

UT friendship leaves mark on Simms, Shanahan
College tattoos keep Bucs QB, Texans assistant bonded for life
By JOHN MCCLAIN
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle
Chris Simms and Kyle Shanahan became such good friends at the University of Texas that they have their
initials tattooed on each other's lower leg.
Simms, the Tampa Bay quarterback who will play briefly in tonight's preseason game against the Texans,
enters the season as a starter for the first time since 2002, his last year with the Longhorns.
Shanahan, who was a quality control coach for the Buccaneers the last two years, is in his first season as the
Texans' receivers coach.
"We're best friends, and we'll be best friends for life," Simms said about Shanahan this week. "We hit it off
from day one. We had a common bond in that our fathers (former New York Giants quarterback Phil Simms
and Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan) have been such a big part of the NFL for a long time.
"We talk at least once a week. We're obsessed with the game. We have a great love for football, and we're
constantly talking about it."
Both players remember when they went with three other close friends and UT teammates — tight end Bo
Scaife, defensive back Rod Babers and receiver Montrell Flowers — to get their tattoos.
"Kyle was a real wimp about it," Simms said. "He got a small one on his ankle. He was afraid his mom and
dad would see it, so he keeps it hidden underneath his socks."
Shanahan has a different version of the experience in which each player got the initials of the other four
tattooed on his lower leg.
"Let me tell you what really happened," Shanahan said. "Chris was dying to get a tattoo. When we got to the
(tattoo parlor), I was the only one who already didn't have one. It wasn't any big deal for the others.
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"I had to be a man about it. I got one out of loyalty to my buddies. Now, Chris, he got one the size of his calf,
but I didn't want one that big because I didn't want to show off."
Indelibly inked
Before the Texans' kickoff luncheon at the Hyatt Regency Downtown on Wednesday, Shanahan lifted his
pants leg to display the tattoo that binds him with his four close friends and former teammates.
"I met Chris for the first time right after I transferred to Texas (from Duke) in January (of 2000)," Shanahan
said. "I was the new wide receiver, and one day I was in the dressing room. Chris came up, introduced himself
and asked if I'd run some routes for him. I said, 'Sure.'
"Later, he invited me out to dinner. We hit it off immediately, and we've been best friends ever since."
When Simms was heavily criticized as a Longhorns quarterback who never did measure up the way UT fans
demanded, Shanahan suffered with him.
"I'm so proud of Chris," Shanahan said. "He's one of the most mentally tough guys I've ever met. He
experienced a lot of negativism in college, and I think it made him stronger and more determined.
"No matter what happened, no matter what was said about him, Chris always managed to stay focused."
Disappointed no more
When the Buccaneers used the last pick in the third round of the 2003 draft on Simms, he was devastated to be
taken that low.
"Knowing what kind of guy he is, knowing how hard he worked and seeing what he went through, he
deserves everything he's getting now," Shanahan said.
If new Longhorns quarterback Colt McCoy wanted advice from a predecessor, he might be better off asking
Simms rather than Vince Young. Simms' experience was much tougher than Young's.
"I would tell him (McCoy) to just play the game, to work hard, to listen to his coaches and to not read the
local papers or watch the local news," Simms said. "There are going to be ups and downs. Learn from them.
And most of all, just have fun."
Like other Longhorns, Simms celebrated last season's national championship.
"I was watching the game on the couch getting ready for our playoff game against the Redskins," he said. "I
can't tell you how excited I was.
"Like everyone else watching, I was up and down. At times, I was cussing at the screen. At other times, I was
cheering like crazy. When it was over, I was drained. I was just so happy. I couldn't believe we actually pulled
it off."
Simms has a prediction for the Ohio State-Texas game on Sept. 9 at Austin.
"Texas 31, Ohio State 27," he said.
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Looking back on the start of his NFL career, Simms benefited highly from being drafted at the end of the third
round. He is playing for coach Jon Gruden, who is one of the league's best quarterback coaches. And Simms is
starting for a playoff team that has Super Bowl aspirations.
Learning experience
"Coming here was a blessing in disguise," he said. "For lack of a better phrase, it (being drafted so low) does
light my fire a little. I've learned so much, like how to handle myself on a day-to-day basis.
"Coach is a perfectionist. He's a tremendous worker, and he's relentless. The passion he has for the game is
contagious. He's always going to be tough on his quarterbacks. He challenges you every day. He sure knows
which one of my buttons to push."
This trip to Houston gives Simms special satisfaction, even though he is not expected to play much. He is the
starting quarterback for a Super Bowl contender.
"This is a great opportunity for me to come back to Texas," he said. "I get to see a lot of old friends and, to a
certain extent, show some of the doubters that I can play in this league."
john.mcclain@chron.com
TEXANS SUMMARY
Decisions to make
Because so many Texans starters won't play against Tampa Bay, some position battles will be settled against
the Buccaneers. The Texans will reduce their roster from 75 to 53 on Friday and then scan the waiver wire to
see how many players they want to claim. They have the first choice on all waived players.
"It's going to settle every issue we have," coach Gary Kubiak said about tonight's game. "I told the players if
there is any doubt in our minds, as coaches, about what we're going to do here or there, it's going to get settled
Thursday night.
"You'll see those guys on the field battling for positions that are very important. We'll let them play themselves
out."
Individual battles
The Texans want outside linebackers to emerge to solidify their positions. They would like to have more
speed.
With DeMeco Ryans firmly entrenched in the middle and Morlon Greenwood solid on the weak side, the
coaches want either Shantee Orr or Charlie Anderson to step up on the other side.
Another player trying hard to impress the coaches is Kenneth Pettway. A seventh-round pick in 2005,
Pettway came to the Texans to play outside linebacker in a 3-4. Then he was moved to defensive end.
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Pettway is a good special teams player, which works to his advantage.
"That's a very hard transition to make that quick," coach Gary Kubiak said. "But he wasn't getting many reps
where he was. He was playing well on special teams.
"We think he can rush a passer, and that was something we wanted to look at. He still has practice-squad
eligibility, so that's a decision we'll have to make if he's not part of our final 53."
Dividing the roster
Because the Texans begin the regular season against Philadelphia at Reliant Stadium, Gary Kubiak and his
staff have been working on a game plan for the Eagles. Kubiak elected not to play many of his starters tonight
to keep them healthy and to allow them to prepare for the Eagles.
"We want to give the young guys fighting for jobs a fair opportunity to complete," he said. "I separated the
groups this week.
"One group's been getting ready to play Tampa Bay. And there are some veterans who aren't playing against
Tampa Bay who are getting a head start on our first game. We're trying to be fair to both sides."
JOHN McCLAIN