Chiefs Toub sucks

Ron Swanson · 11-07-2022, 01:21 AM

I know Reid will never get rid of him, but he's the most overrated coach I've ever seen. Every game has some kind of special teams gaffe, and it's been that way for way for several years.

TwistedChief · 11-07-2022, 02:12 AM

So he’s to blame for Butker’s FG and XP misses?

The dude consistently ranks as a top special teams coordinator. I realize the guy isn’t perfect and there are things I’d do different if I were in his shoes, but you have to compare him against other coordinators. And the grass is most certainly not always greener.

-King- · 11-07-2022, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

So he’s to blame for Butker’s FG and XP misses?

The dude consistently ranks as a top special teams coordinator. I realize the guy isn’t perfect and there are things I’d do different if I were in his shoes, but you have to compare him against other coordinators. And the grass is most certainly not always greener.

How are those ranked? I'd bet he gets ranked so high just based on name recognition.

Like I'd say right now the only good part of our special teams is Townsend. Other than that, we're not kicking the ball well, our punt and kick returns are usually ass.

What's he doing that other ST coordinators aren't?

Hammock Parties · 11-07-2022, 02:46 AM

this after a game where hardman is EXCELLENT returning punts, kickoff returns look much better, and kick COVERAGE is almost perfect

you ****ing idiots

i daresay our kick coverage saved us 3-7 points tonight

TwistedChief · 11-07-2022, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

How are those ranked? I'd bet he gets ranked so high just based on name recognition.

Like I'd say right now the only good part of our special teams is Townsend. Other than that, we're not kicking the ball well, our punt and kick returns are usually ass.

What's he doing that other ST coordinators aren't?

No, objective stats. The kind many of you like to ignore.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...s/2022/regular

KC Chiefs Special Teams DVOA rankings:

2022: #16 (this was pre-last night/with all of our known problems and the injury to Butker)
2021: #3
2020: #17
2019: #2
2018: #2
2017: #4
2016: #1

**FRCDFED** · 11-07-2022, 03:36 AM

I'm glad someone else said it! I've felt this way for a while! He's definitely to blame for sending Moore out to return kicks! I realize that it's not his fault that we have Butlicker as our kicker but come on....any idiot can see that he's definitely not AUTOMATIC when it comes to extra points when he should be! Not to mention his missed field goal attempts! I was glad we had the replacement kickers for a while! Even if one of them cost us the game! Butlicker has cost us at least 4 points per game in the past! We won those games thanks to the offe! You know it's true!

**FRCDFED** · 11-07-2022, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

How are those ranked? I'd bet he gets ranked so high just based on name recognition.

Like I'd say right now the only good part of our special teams is Townsend. Other than that, we're not kicking the ball well, our punt and kick returns are usually ass.

What's he doing that other ST coordinators aren't?

Exactly!

**FRCDFED** · 11-07-2022, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

this after a game where hardman is EXCELLENT returning punts, kickoff returns look much better, and kick COVERAGE is almost perfect

you ****ing idiots

i daresay our kick coverage saved us 3-7 points tonight

You do realize there are more aspects to special teams than just coverage right? I believe he's referring to Butlickers miss field goals and extra points! If anyone else would've missed than he'd be crucified but he's not by all the ball washers on here! He definitely responsible for putting Moore out there with little to no experience and expecting good things to happen. I realize that he's not responsible for Butlicker as he's the only kicker on the team currently!

TwistedChief · 11-07-2022, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

I'm glad someone else said it! I've felt this way for a while! He's definitely to blame for sending Moore out to return kicks! I realize that it's not his fault that we have Butlicker as our kicker but come on....any idiot can see that he's definitely not AUTOMATIC when it comes to extra points when he should be! Not to mention his missed field goal attempts! I was glad we had the replacement kickers for a while! Even if one of them cost us the game! Butlicker has cost us at least 4 points per game in the past! We won those games thanks to the offe! You know it's true!

Oh my god! You overuse exclamation points! And are a complete moron!

**FRCDFED** · 11-07-2022, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Oh my god! You overuse exclamation points! And are a complete moron!

prove me wrong or prove you're just another ball washer!

TwistedChief · 11-07-2022, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

prove me wrong or prove you're just another ball washer!

First, I posted Toub's rankings amongst special teams coordinators. What about their methodology do you disagree with? What coordinator do you think is available that would do a better job? I await your responses.

Second, you literally said you preferred our back-up kickers this season to Butker. That may be the stupidest thing ever posted on this site.

**dannybcaitlyn** · 11-07-2022, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

How are those ranked? I'd bet he gets ranked so high just based on name recognition.

Like I'd say right now the only good part of our special teams is Townsend. Other than that, we're not kicking the ball well, our punt and kick returns are usually ass.

What's he doing that other ST coordinators aren't?

When’s the last time you’ve seen a opposing team Return a punt or a kickoff for a TD?? Those are game changers. Coverages is what Toub does well on.

JohnnyHammersticks · 11-07-2022, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FRCDFED

...any idiot can see that he's definitely not AUTOMATIC when it comes to extra points when he should be!Not to mention his missed field goal attempts! I was glad we had the replacement kickers for a while! Even if one of them cost us the game! Butlicker has cost us at least 4 points per game in the past! We won those games thanks to the offe! You know it's true!

Good job self-scouting.

Eleazar · 11-07-2022, 06:47 AM

Megatron96 · 11-07-2022, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

I know Reid will never get rid of him, but he's the most overrated coach I've ever seen. Every game has some kind of special teams gaffe, and it's been that way for way for several years.

Your and special kind of idiot.

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TwistedChief Why so serious? Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Chicago Casino cash: $-1189585	So he’s to blame for Butker’s FG and XP misses? The dude consistently ranks as a top special teams coordinator. I realize the guy isn’t perfect and there are things I’d do different if I were in his shoes, but you have to compare him against other coordinators. And the grass is most certainly not always greener.
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