Unpopular Thought: Trade McDuffie

[sedated]

The Chiefs latest dynasty run was a direct product of the Tyreek trade. Now money is tight, draft resources are slim, and the young players from Veach's great recent drafts are getting to the age to be paid so will be leaving soon. And that's aside from the glaring need for a franchise LT.

Any chance we could get back what makes it worthwhile to give him up this offseason?

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I’m all for paying him, I’m just not paying him top of the market money. He’s not in that class, you can’t pay just any number and not feel the impact of it negatively.

Knowing Chiefs history, he’s probably about to go out and have a 18.0 sack season which will back us into quite the corner.

If it was closer to the lower end of $15m then maybe, nearer $20m absolutely not. He isn't worth it, and certainly isn't worth mid-20s.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Stryker

Stupid thread! Are you serious? We went to 5 SBs in 6 years! Look at it like this, We beat the 49er's 2 times. We beat the Eagles the first time and they won the 2nd time. Oh GOD! Let's sell the farm! Chicken little bullshit if you ask me! Trade McDuffie? Dumb ass thread! NOPE!

I don’t think anyone is saying to sell the farm. Quite the opposite. I think most people see our LT position as so dire that a quick fix goes a very long way. But also are realistic that it’s incredibly difficult to fill through free agency or the draft. If veach felt very confident in a guy to be a LT of the future but saw no path to get him, it’s worth mentioning the only trade chip that can actually make that move happen. I don’t think anybody actually wants to lose mcduffie even if we get a lot back. But there is the sinking feeling at the same time that absent this kind of move, where mcduffie is probably our only play to pull a blockbuster deal off, we may have to pull off an underwhelming move at LT again.

[Couch-Potato]

Could we tag and trade Bolton? Smith?

I’d trade Karlaftis before McDuffie, he’s outplaying his talent next to CJ. PFF graded him at just 68% yet he had 8 sacks, someone will bite, I’m just not sure what he’s really worth in a trade. Maybe you could pkg him with our 1st to move up for a LT like Simmons and get another lower pick or swap that would be beneficial.

[RedArrowhead]

The way Mahomes plays tends to put his tackles in bad spots. He drifts back far, runs around, and at times just holds on to the ball too long. To trade a HOF cb at a young age that plays well with our system for a chance to pick up a LT in the draft is insane. Even trading for a known LT because you don't know how effective he would even be in this system and with Mahomes.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RedArrowhead

The way Mahomes plays tends to put his tackles in bad spots. He drifts back far, runs around, and at times just holds on to the ball too long. To trade a HOF cb at a young age that plays well with our system for a chance to pick up a LT in the draft is insane. Even trading for a known LT because you don't know how effective he would even be in this system and with Mahomes.

We’re near a point in Mahomes’ career where we need to keep him more in the pocket. And we’ve seen that he can evolve to that. Hell, his entire passing game these days is largely low ADOT. This team going into the future needs to run through Mahomes again and even if he sometimes gets his OL in trouble by and large it’s mostly been the OL getting him in trouble.

The thing about CB is that spags is an absolute mastermind. We’ve lost charvarius ward, Snead, and we still put together a strong secondary. We’ve had unusual success finding DBs even in late rounds. Meanwhile we’re STILL trying to replace Eric fisher. So here’s the better question… let’s fast forward to next year as I think this years extra year in control makes this a nonstarter. If we don’t solve for LT this offseason would you entertain a trade that guarantees us a stable LT option on a long term deal straight up for mcduffie? As good as mcduffie is I have a ton of confidence we can rebuild our DB room but I have very little confidence we can get better than a meh LT fic given our resources limits.

[htismaqe]

People have lost their ****ing mind.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Could we tag and trade Bolton? Smith?

I’d trade Karlaftis before McDuffie, he’s outplaying his talent next to CJ. PFF graded him at just 68% yet he had 8 sacks, someone will bite, I’m just not sure what he’s really worth in a trade. Maybe you could pkg him with our 1st to move up for a LT like Simmons and get another lower pick or swap that would be beneficial.

No.

The OL tag is 25,156,000 and the LB tag is 27,050,000. All OL is together with OTs included and LBs include ER OLBs. It's just not even within the realm of possibility to tag either of them.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

No.

The OL tag is 25,156,000 and the LB tag is 27,050,000. All OL is together with OTs included and LBs include ER OLBs. It's just not even within the realm of possibility to tag either of them.

Exactly.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by kccrow

No.

The OL tag is 25,156,000 and the LB tag is 27,050,000. All OL is together with OTs included and LBs include ER OLBs. It's just not even within the realm of possibility to tag either of them.

Holy hell, that’s crazy for an ILB!

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Holy hell, that’s crazy for an ILB!

Yeah - Linebacker includes the edge players so those pass rushers that get paid $30 million/yr do the LBs a huge favor and pretty much make the tag cost prohibitive for the off-ball backers.

They'd be better served to have DTs included with the pass rushers and the off-back backers removed, but it is what it is.

[chiefzilla1501]

Maybe this is the simpler question. Assuming we have one more year of control on mcduffie. Let’s assume a perfect world where we could trade mcduffie straight up for the following LTs. Yes of course this is totally hypothetical
1) a top tier 25 year old LT
2) a top tier 30 year old LT
3) a trade up for a top tier draft prospect
4) a trade up for a tier 2 LT draft prospect

Do people believe next years version of mcduffie is totally untradeable? Or are there scenarios you might entertain? To me 1 and 3 are unrealistic but you gotta jump if the option is there. I’d think we’d have to at least listen to 4 but it’s a lot more dicey

[RunKC]

If you all think this is bad, Petro vehemently blasted the Chiefs bc he wanted to trade Trey Smith before the season started even though we were trying to threepeat.

“You need to get something for him! Why not trade him a year early!”

I just…man. I can’t with some of these guys.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by RunKC

If you all think this is bad, Petro vehemently blasted the Chiefs bc he wanted to trade Trey Smith before the season started even though we were trying to threepeat.

“You need to get something for him! Why not trade him a year early!”

I just…man. I can’t with some of these guys.

Does the dumb **** know what the comp pick formula is?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RunKC

If you all think this is bad, Petro vehemently blasted the Chiefs bc he wanted to trade Trey Smith before the season started even though we were trying to threepeat.

“You need to get something for him! Why not trade him a year early!”

I just…man. I can’t with some of these guys.

He also wanted to trade Chris Jones like 5 years ago.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Maybe this is the simpler question. Assuming we have one more year of control on mcduffie. Let’s assume a perfect world where we could trade mcduffie straight up for the following LTs. Yes of course this is totally hypothetical
1) a top tier 25 year old LT
2) a top tier 30 year old LT
3) a trade up for a top tier draft prospect
4) a trade up for a tier 2 LT draft prospect

Do people believe next years version of mcduffie is totally untradeable? Or are there scenarios you might entertain? To me 1 and 3 are unrealistic but you gotta jump if the option is there. I’d think we’d have to at least listen to 4 but it’s a lot more dicey

It's tough man... Because neither McDuffie nor Karlaftis made a Pro Bowl, their 5th-year options are incredibly affordable. McDuffie's will be $12,724,000 and Karlaftis' will be $14,575,000. We will undoubtedly be exercising both when the new league year kicks off.

I think if you're going to talk about those two then you also need to talk about trading Rashee Rice if he has a big year. And that's the guy that might bring the biggest return. I think it would be between Rice and Karlaftis depending on how Karlaftis does next year.