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Old 09-07-2023, 11:49 PM  
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Going for it on fourth down and 25

The reasoning behind it is that either way, you need to make a stop, so why not take a shot at it.

The counter-argument in that scenario is that you leave the possibly of needing a touchdown rather than a field goal after the stop.

I hope this starts a trend among coaches in the NFL to go for it in that situation.

If you are inside your own ten down by one, the odds turn more in your favor to go for it. The worst-case scenario is that you are guaranteed a chance to get the ball with it being a one-possession game, since the opponent can't run the clock out
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Old 09-08-2023, 10:43 AM   #16
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had to.

he catches it, it may be a TD
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Old 09-08-2023, 10:59 AM   #17
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Every topic on this board right now, in one way or another goes back to the shitty WR play. It's very frustrating.
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Old 09-08-2023, 11:15 AM   #18
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If you don't make it and can force them to 3 and out with a field goal you still have time to try and score a touchdown
"IF" you don't make it should be "when" you don't make it. The distance is everything here not anything else. The conversion rate at 15yds is only 13.9%. What do you think it is by the time we get to 25 yards (can't find any data on that long because well no one ever tries it)? I am guessing a couple % if that.

You also have to factor in when the Lions get the ball back there is a possibility they score no more points and Chiefs get ball back with plenty of time for Mahomes. Or who knows what else might happen. But they are going to have to play offense when you have 4 timeouts. The point is 4th and 25 is NOT happening 97% of the time. So you take that off the table. There is no value to gain at such a low success rate regardless of the situation or anything else. Unless it is a total Hail Mary situation.
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Old 09-08-2023, 11:54 AM   #19
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The conversion rate at 15yds is only 13.9%.
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Old 09-08-2023, 11:59 AM   #20
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"IF" you don't make it should be "when" you don't make it. The distance is everything here not anything else. The conversion rate at 15yds is only 13.9%. What do you think it is by the time we get to 25 yards (can't find any data on that long because well no one ever tries it)? I am guessing a couple % if that.

You also have to factor in when the Lions get the ball back there is a possibility they score no more points and Chiefs get ball back with plenty of time for Mahomes. Or who knows what else might happen. But they are going to have to play offense when you have 4 timeouts. The point is 4th and 25 is NOT happening 97% of the time. So you take that off the table. There is no value to gain at such a low success rate regardless of the situation or anything else. Unless it is a total Hail Mary situation.

Mahomes will convert 4th and 25 at a much higher rate than 3%. It’s probably more like 15-20 which is just insane.


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