Chiefs Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League - Page 27

dlphg9 · 03-07-2020, 07:52 PM

Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year.

Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating.

If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players.

There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league.

1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well

2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away.

3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting.

Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.

**BossChief** · 07-14-2020, 07:54 PM

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You don’t trade guys like Reggie White, Michael Stephan and Chris Jones. Especially when the player wants to play his whole career in KC and has consistently said as much.

The guy is a unicorn.

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Something I know for sure is Mahomes contacted Sammy and Chris and is willing to do a Mahometown discount to keep both in KC. The part that’s taking so long is the structure of all 3 deals so there is cap flexibility in the future and finding deals that satisfy all 3.

If all 3 are reasonable, I expect all 3 deals to be announced within a week of each other.

The hang up is possibly the upcoming TV deals due to the coronavirus complicating the amount the deals are negotiated for in many ways.

Sammy signed his redo before the other 2...

**BossChief** · 07-14-2020, 07:56 PM

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I think if they can sign him to what Frank Clark got, that would be a huge bargain and they should do it immediately after the CBA is signed. Either that or a 3 year deal similar to how Veach structured Landlord and Watkins deals. Something like 3/60 with 40 guaranteed. That allows Chris to hit FA again while still in his prime once the CBA explodes.

I thought it would be 3/60 and it ended up 4/80.

Missed it by a year.

DRM08 · 07-14-2020, 08:28 PM

Jones & Mahomes both gave discounts to keep this team together. Special culture in Kansas City.

**BossChief** · 07-14-2020, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Jones & Mahomes both gave discounts to keep this team together. Special culture in Kansas City.

So did Sammy

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! · 07-14-2020, 09:09 PM

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So did Sammy

Sammys comments make me think that he’s in the future plans for the Chiefs beyond 2020 season

Halfcan · 07-14-2020, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Sammys comments make me think that he’s in the future plans for the Chiefs beyond 2020 season

He could finish with a handful of rings- why would he want to go anywhere else?

This is a nice selling point for the Chiefs.

Wallcrawler · 10-26-2021, 11:55 PM

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I was pretty close. $60 mil guaranteed is tied for the most guaranteed for a defender.

60 million guaranteed. As far as robberies go, that number puts him just what, 7 million dollars below Matt Cassel?

At least Jones can put his ****ing hat on, if he doesn't hurt his little wrist in the process.

lcarus · 10-27-2021, 08:58 AM

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Frank Clark is as good as any player on this team not named Patrick Mahomes. It’s amazing that people still don’t acknowledge that

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I agree. Now it’s awesome when Jones wrecks shit up the middle but Frank Clark is a stud.

Damn things change fast in the NFL.

Red Dawg · 10-27-2021, 09:20 AM

I never thought we would be able to keep Jones with Clark at the time. Having 2 DL's making over 20 mil each was unheard of and honestly a crippling move for one group. Like everyone else I was happy we did but like other big contracts for players they rarely work and don't bite you in the ass. It seems they always get slammed a stupid move quickly after they have been signed because the player can't keep up the production that justified the pay increase.

Clark and Jones were a big reason we won the SB in 19 and now their deals are cement boots on a team that certainly won't win it again this year. Clark will be gone but still 12 mil in dead cap and Jones we are stuck with for the next year and then a 7 mil dead cap if he's gone.

Only the QB is worth over 20 mil per season.

Shields68 · 10-27-2021, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

I never thought we would be able to keep Jones with Clark at the time. Having 2 DL's making over 20 mil each was unheard of and honestly a crippling move for one group. Like everyone else I was happy we did but like other big contracts for players they rarely work and don't bite you in the ass. It seems they always get slammed a stupid move quickly after they have been signed because the player can't keep up the production that justified the pay increase.

Clark and Jones were a big reason we won the SB in 19 and now their deals are cement boots on a team that certainly won't win it again this year. Clark will be gone but still 12 mil in dead cap and Jones we are stuck with for the next year and then a 7 mil dead cap if he's gone.

Only the QB is worth over 20 mil per season.

It might not be as crippling if they were playing to all-star level.

Red Dawg · 10-27-2021, 11:28 AM

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It might not be as crippling if they were playing to all-star level.

Very true and if they were playing at an all star level we wouldn't be looking at money at all. But we are right now because we will need that money to get better next year but it's being pissed away.

Pitt Gorilla · 11-21-2021, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

I never thought we would be able to keep Jones with Clark at the time. Having 2 DL's making over 20 mil each was unheard of and honestly a crippling move for one group. Like everyone else I was happy we did but like other big contracts for players they rarely work and don't bite you in the ass. It seems they always get slammed a stupid move quickly after they have been signed because the player can't keep up the production that justified the pay increase.

Clark and Jones were a big reason we won the SB in 19 and now their deals are cement boots on a team that certainly won't win it again this year. Clark will be gone but still 12 mil in dead cap and Jones we are stuck with for the next year and then a 7 mil dead cap if he's gone.

Only the QB is worth over 20 mil per season.

Clark and Jones are both playing really, really well.

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dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1390347	Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year. Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating. If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players. There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league. 1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well 2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away. 3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting. Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.
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Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $1482858	I never thought we would be able to keep Jones with Clark at the time. Having 2 DL's making over 20 mil each was unheard of and honestly a crippling move for one group. Like everyone else I was happy we did but like other big contracts for players they rarely work and don't bite you in the ass. It seems they always get slammed a stupid move quickly after they have been signed because the player can't keep up the production that justified the pay increase. Clark and Jones were a big reason we won the SB in 19 and now their deals are cement boots on a team that certainly won't win it again this year. Clark will be gone but still 12 mil in dead cap and Jones we are stuck with for the next year and then a 7 mil dead cap if he's gone. Only the QB is worth over 20 mil per season. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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