Confidence in #11 ?

[Molitoth]

Just wanted to start this by saying I've been a big fan of Robinson as a Chief.

He is always available, a great blocker, and doing a hell of a lot of running while rarely seeing a target.

With the attention on Kelce and Hill, I've always thought that Drob could be balling out, but for some reason he hasn't been.

The last game I think we saw him drop 3 passes, two wide open for first downs.

Dropped passes are probably one of my biggest pet-peeves in this sport of football, and Drob royally had me pissed at my couch cushion.

I wonder if dropped passes are a common thing in Chiefs practice for Drob, and he doesn't have the confidence from Pat this season?

Anyway, still rooting for some big Drob moments this post-season.

Any comments/discussion on this topic?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Not arguing; I'm asking for facts. Data to support a theory. Your theory.

It is a "theory" that when you hold the ball out loosely with one hand and not secure it you are increasing the risk for a strip/fumble?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

It is a "theory" that when you hold the ball out loosely with one hand and not secure it you are increasing the risk for a strip/fumble?

It's a theory until you have some empirical data to prove it's not a theory. Or so I was taught in grade school science.

I mean, does he do that on evyer play? Not that I'm aware of. I've sen him do it a few times. I haven't seen him fumble doing it though. In fact, regardless of how he's held the ball after the catch, his stats say that in the four years he's been playing for the Chiefs he's never fumbled, no matter how he held the ball.

My point being, there's no evidence to support the idea that he is a fumble risk.

I'm not even saying we should keep him next season. But what I am saying is that how he holds the ball every once in a while has nothing to do with his efficiency as a receiver. At least according to his stats and the fact that he's never fumbled while playing for us.

Factually, he doesn't run great routes. He's inconsistent as a pass-catcher. And he sometimes gets called for stupid penalties.

But how he holds the ball hasn't been a problem in four years.

[Deberg_1990]

Zero confidence right now in him.

Would rather see Pringle out there

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

It's a theory until you have some empirical data to prove it's not a theory. Or so I was taught in grade school science.

I mean, does he do that on evyer play? Not that I'm aware of. I've sen him do it a few times. I haven't seen him fumble doing it though. In fact, regardless of how he's held the ball after the catch, his stats say that in the four years he's been playing for the Chiefs he's never fumbled, no matter how he held the ball.

My point being, there's no evidence to support the idea that he is a fumble risk.

I'm not even saying we should keep him next season. But what I am saying is that how he holds the ball every once in a while has nothing to do with his efficiency as a receiver. At least according to his stats and the fact that he's never fumbled while playing for us.

Factually, he doesn't run great routes. He's inconsistent as a pass-catcher. And he sometimes gets called for stupid penalties.

But how he holds the ball hasn't been a problem in four years.

Shady also has this same problem and didn't fumble much. Now he has 3 in a limited amount of carries. It's fairly common knowledge that if you don't secure the ball the odds of fumbling go up quite a bit.

Lets use your logic in a different situation. So someone drinks and drives alot, but hasn't wrecked. Doesnt mean that he won't eventually wreck and that he should continue doimg what hes doing.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Shady also has this same problem and didn't fumble much. Now he has 3 in a limited amount of carries. It's fairly common knowledge that if you don't secure the ball the odds of fumbling go up quite a bit.

Lets use your logic in a different situation. So someone drinks and drives alot, but hasn't wrecked. Doesn't mean that he won't eventually wreck and that he should continue doing what hes doing.

I might agree if he did that on every catch, or even in every game (where he got a catch). But that's not the case either. He's done it what, three times? In four years?

And Shady has never been a fumble-prone RB in his ten year career. Yes, he had three this year in a short span. This never happened in his previous nine years. It's called an outlier. A fluke.

And two of his fumbles he wasn't even carrying the ball "like a loaf of bread," but close to his body. Though one of those carries he was carrying the ball near his waist and should've been carrying it higher to the side of his chest at least.

In other words, there's no real empirical evidence that the way Shady carries the ball sometimes during a run "like a loaf of bread" has anything to do with the number of fumbles he's had in any of his ten years as a RB. Including this year.

But people look at it, and don't like either Shady himself for some reason, or don't like his style, or whatever it is, and jump on the optics of it. With no actual supportive evidence.

They only fumble that concerns me is the one where it just jumped out of his hand near the GL and he recovered it mid-air. And on that one he again wasn't "holding it like a loaf of bread." That one tells me that there might be something wrong with Shady's hand/forearm.

But back to the OP. My point was that DRob is not an above-average receiver, though he has had moments where he's made some great catches. So the decision to keep or cut him should be based on that. Not whether he fumbles because of how he holds the ball every 10 weeks or so is not an issue. Because he hasn't fumbled. Ever. No matter how he's held the ball.

[rtmike]

Originally Posted by Chargem

Don't know if anyone else spotted it, but there was a 20 yard ish play from Tyreek in the 2nd quarter and Robinson literally couldn't even get lined up, Tyreek was talking to him right up until the snap.

What I’ve read is he has a learning disability and has a hard time with the playbook?

A lot of his completions are off Pat scrambling for his life and he’s the best at back tracking to get open.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by rtmike

What I’ve read is he has a learning disability and has a hard time with the playbook?

A lot of his completions are off Pat scrambling for his life and he’s the best at back tracking to get open.

Well, that would certainly explain why he's not running the right route so often. But he does seem to find a way to give Pat a target when things go sandlot.