Cowher is NOT Marty

[chiefzilla1501]

I don't know why people are peddling around this idea that Cowher is Marty v.2

-Cowher won a Super Bowl, Marty won 0
-Cowher has been to two Super Bowls, Marty has been to 0
-Cowher won 12 playoff games to Marty's 5 (in 6 less seasons)
-Cowher loves to run trick plays, fake punts, and go for it on 4th down, Marty does not

Yes, Marty and the Chin run the same defense. Yes, they both love to run the ball. But the similiarities end there.

We don't hate Marty because he loved to run the ball, we hate him because h loved to run the ball in the wrong situations and fell into a shell with the game on the line. We don't hate Marty because he couldn't win, he hate him because he couldn't win when the game counted. In other words, we don't hate him because of his coaching style, we had him because of the coaching decisions he made when the game was on the line in the playoffs.

Cowher doesn't make those kinds of mistakes. I have NEVER heard anyone refer to his Steelers as a Marty-ball team.

Let's stop all these bullshit discussions about how Cowher is another version of Marty. He's not.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by TEX

Oh - BTW - when did they WIN the Super Bowl? Guess When? When Ben started...

You're wrong on so many levels. Big Ben was not forecd on him at all. Cowher actually called him and told him that if still there when the Steelers picked, they would draft him.

This from the same guy who chose Troy ****ing Edwards at number 8.



Think what you want to believe. I had friends in Pittsburgh at the time who told me out right that ownership essentially mandated that the Steelers draft Rothlisberger regardless of who else was available.

And just because Cowher, in your estimation, would be a better coach than anyone since Stram, doesn't automatically mean that he's the best coach available for the franchise at this time.

[blueballs]

If the new GM has any balls at all
he will pry Coughlin from the Giants
bwaaaaaa

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Tomcazk was a b/u forced into duty.
Graham was a b/u forced into duty.
Stewart was a WR/BU forced into duty.
Maddox was a b/u forced into duty.
O'Donnell was a "Girbac-esque" move. No character at all.

The difference was he WON playoff games with these douchebags. He didn't piss them away like Marty. Not choking to inferior teams, he OVERACHIEVED with garbage at QB.

And unless there's some huge change in direction that removes us from the last 30 years of Chiefs history I'd say that makes him the PERFECT HC for this team.



I don't even think you believe this...

Rausch, some of what you mention is absolutely untrue. When O'Donnel left for the Jets after the 1995 season, Cowher started Tomczak. That was his guy. Maddox was his starter. Stewart was his starter. Kent Graham was his backup that became a starter.

Say what you will about "his" coaching ability (and defensively, his teams have always been outstanding), he's put guys like Chan Gailey and Mike Mularkey in tough spots due to their QB selection.

The only guy who didn't have it rough was Ken Whisenhunt and that's because he had Ben as his QB.

15 YEARS people. 15 YEARS.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by blueballs

If the new GM has any balls at all
he will pry Coughlin from the Giants
bwaaaaaa

And up until the Giants Super Bowl run last year, he was on the hot seat.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

How many SBs was he supposed to go to?
2 in 15 yrs is horrible??? we haven't won 1 PO game in 15 yrs. He's won 12.

So that's your standard?

FWIW, he won 9 Division Championships and coached them to the AFC Championship in 1994, 1995, 1997 (24-21 loss for those of you at home), 2004 and 2005.

Furthermore, I'd like you or TEX or anyone explain to me this: If Cowher was SOOOOOO great, why has Mike Tomlin been able to improve upon his success so easily regarding the record?

Tomlin took an 8-8 team the prior year to 10-6 in 2007 and now 12-4. Please explain.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So that's your standard?

FWIW, he won 9 Division Championships and coached them to the AFC Championship in 1994, 1995, 1997 (24-21 loss for those of you at home), 2004 and 2005.

Furthermore, I'd like you or TEX or anyone explain to me this: If Cowher was SOOOOOO great, why has Mike Tomlin been able to improve upon his success so easily regarding the record?

Tomlin took an 8-8 team the prior year to 10-6 in 2007 and now 12-4. Please explain.

Give me a break.

Tomlin did NOT take over an 8-8 team. Cowher took the same team 15-1 and 11-5 the seasons prior. Tomlin inherited a really, really good team.

You don't think that the 8-8 season had anything to do with the fact that Big Ben got into an almost life-threatening accident in the offseason and then getting knocked out in mid-season to a concussion on a late hit? Roethlisberger was banged up BIG TIME and he was making a lot of really bad decisions because his head was not right. Cowher didn't put Big Ben on that bike and he wasn't on the field when Patrick Kearney cheapshotted Big Ben midway through that season.

Ask any Steelers fan how Cowher compares to Tomlin. I've talked to plenty and they all like Tomlin, but hate the spread offense that he runs. Sorry, apart from Woodley, this team is almost entirely Cowher's. When Tomlin builds his own team, we'll talk. Even Norv Turner is now winning with his prior coach's used parts.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Cowher's a **** who didn't win a Super Bowl until he dropped the outdated idea that defense and an offensive line wins in the NFL. Tomcazk, Kent Graham, Kordell Stewart, Tommy Maddox and Neil O'Donnell are proof positive that Cowher's a relic.

Rothlisberger was FORCED on him by the owners and only after he sat him on the bench for the first game did he realize he ****ed up.

Oh and BTW, they were 15-1 that season. Guess the One? When Ben didn't start.

No thanks, 'Zilla.

You love Herm but hate on Cowher?? WTF?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by chiefsngop

Pittsburgh has proven over the years that they have a great system in place.

Cowher didn't carry that team on his back.

I believe the problem most have with Billy C is that he had the talent to get to the big one season after season and yet kept failing.

It wasn't until the talent level of that team became so incredibly high and dominant that he couldn't help but get to the Super Bowl.

And with the amount of rebuilding left to do with this team I would rather have a coach who can get us to the next level without needing absolute dominance at almost every position.

We need a coach who can take a team that's 80% of the way there and operate a chess match to make us play like we're really 100% of the way there.

Otherwise, we're looking at a 5 year rebuild before being competitive.

The counterargument to that is that these fans are placing a ridiculously high standard on Cowher. They are criticizing him for not being as good as Bill Bellichick and Bill Walsh. Few people are. Those kinds of coaches are complete rarities. Is Cowher as good as those guys? No. But he's still one of the best coaches of our generation.

I think those who continually point to # of Super Bowls are downplaying how damn hard it is to get there. And Cowher did it twice. That is no small feat.

Cowher is not Bellichick, Parcells, or Walsh, but he's better than well over 90% of the coaches who have coached in this league and will probably be hired from 2008-2013.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So that's your standard?

FWIW, he won 9 Division Championships and coached them to the AFC Championship in 1994, 1995, 1997 (24-21 loss for those of you at home), 2004 and 2005.

Furthermore, I'd like you or TEX or anyone explain to me this: If Cowher was SOOOOOO great, why has Mike Tomlin been able to improve upon his success so easily regarding the record?

Tomlin took an 8-8 team the prior year to 10-6 in 2007 and now 12-4. Please explain.

Tomlin is a good coach, with a hell of squad. One of the best defenses in a while. #1 across the board. A team built in Cowher's Image that he took to 15-1, and won a SB with.

Cowher has had nothing but success for 15 yrs, and you think he's a BAD coach? please explain.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

You love Herm but hate on Cowher?? WTF?

Really.

I'm not gonna listen to anybody's opinion on HCs that thinks Herm has done a good job.


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['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So that's your standard?

FWIW, he won 9 Division Championships and coached them to the AFC Championship in 1994, 1995, 1997 (24-21 loss for those of you at home), 2004 and 2005.

Furthermore, I'd like you or TEX or anyone explain to me this: If Cowher was SOOOOOO great, why has Mike Tomlin been able to improve upon his success so easily regarding the record?

Tomlin took an 8-8 team the prior year to 10-6 in 2007 and now 12-4. Please explain.

The players like him more because he's a neegra.