How do you REALLY think the Chiefs will do this season? - Page 5

CoMoChief · 07-05-2005, 11:25 AM

I've been on other boards around the internet sports world and there have been alot of people that dog the Chiefs. Some people just plain do not know what they're talking about, but yet others have some key points. Put aside the fact that you are a die hard Chiefs fan and think, how do you REALLY think the Chiefs will do this season?

In all honesty, I think this is a do or die season. We will more than likely lose Shields after this season, and possibly Roaf, but then again I have heard that Roaf my play for a couple more seasons, if that's true, and granted he can still play at a high level, then I think our O-line is in good shape. If they both leave, then our line will still be ok, but our younger guys have to step up big time to fill those kinds of shoes. From what I have heard from the OTA's, I don't think that will be a problem.

Here's a question that someone from another board asked me and it got me to think. "If the Chiefs play some teams with good defenses, and if their offense has a few bad games, can you really rely on their defense to win a few games for you?" I told him I didn't really know. I think our defensive line needs to step up big and play this season. Last season it was arguably the strongest part of our defense, but that's not saying much as our LB core was awful as was our secondary. This season on paper it is probably the weakest part of our defense. Can Jared Allen produce even more than what he did last season, or will Carlos Hall take away some PT from him because God knows that Hicks has a secure spot as LE, which pisses me off to no end. Can Dalton produce like he did last season, chances are that he will. Sims is doo-doo butter. He is simply a bust whether you like it or not. I can't believe that CP and DV listened to that jack off buddy from UNC in drafting Sims. I can understand that a QB can often be a bust in the NFL because the QB is the hardest position, but DT??? Come on, given his size and strength, how hard is it to be productive? Siavii needs to replace him as the starter I think. Our LBs will be our strength, no doubt. We will have some of the best speed in the NFL. Can Mitchell hold down the fort at MLB? Last year he showed some signs but he is VERY inconsistant and is a fairly poor tackler as a MLB. He is very athletic and thats a plus and from what I have heard in the OTAs is that he's kicking ass. But thats in no pads. Can he wrap up is the question. Can Ambrose handle the load while Warfield serves his suspension if there is one? In my eyes hes another McCleon but older. Yeah he made the Pro-Bowl, but that was almost a decade ago. Having Deion Sanders is one thing and is the only exception to that. The first 4 games of the Chiefs schedule are tough, real tough. We have always had close games with Denver and Oakland and the Eagles are one of the best teams in the NFL and the Jets are gonna be better than they were last season I think. If we can go 2-2, then its a sure playoff bound Chiefs team in 2005. If we fall to 0-4, then I think this season will be like the last one.

The defensive line and Mitchell I believe are the keys to this defense getting better or respectable. We need a defense that can win us games because our offense wont be there for us all the time, they can only do so much. I'm talking about a defense that can help a team win 14-10 or something like that. I doubt the Chiefs can make that happen. I still think it will take some time to gel the players as one defensive unit. I can see us being very good mid to late season, which is what we need I think, I think its always important to thrive going in to the playoffs. After we play at SD I think our schedule is very favorable. What do you guys think?

NYJ - W
@OAK - W
@DEN - L
PHL - L
Bye
WSH - W
@MIA - W
@SD - L
OAK - W
@BUF - W
@HOU - W
NE - L
DEN - W
@DAL - W
@NYG - W
SD - W
CIN - W

Overall Record 12-4 AFC West Division Champs

C-Mac · 07-06-2005, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BSPimpDude

Okay, first when I say thta our defense is having a bad day I mean like scoring 14-20 points. Secondly, we had the ball like something around 48 mins in that game to their 12. Thats insane and you SHOULD win a football game if you have the ball that much more than someone.

The score was 56-10, I wonder how the offense got the ball so many times?

C-Mac · 07-06-2005, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbything

I honestly don't see how teams can't prepare for Atlanta on defense. Vick flat out can't pass, and his receivers are horrible, sans Crumpler. So, you prepare for the run on every single snap.

Even though Atlanta came into KC white hot last season, I really wasn't scared of them. Their defense was decent but, they weren't going to hold us to under 25 points at home. That was a given. And their offense was very one dimensional. Supposedly, they had this great running game, yet, the 31st ranked defense completely shut them down.

I don't think that the coaching was all that fantastic on our part. I just don't think Atlanta is that good. And I don't think they'll be that good this year.

I wonder how such a lousy team went the next week to Denver and embarrased them soundly 48-28 then go on to make it to the NFC Championship game.

Brock · 07-06-2005, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

I wonder how such a lousy team went the next week to Denver and embarrased them soundly 48-28 then go on to make it to the NFC Championship game.

Because Mike Shanahan is an idiot?

TEX · 07-06-2005, 09:44 AM

If we get off to a 2-2 start or better after 4 games, I think we'll go 11-5 and win the division. If not then we swap with the Bolts in my picks below and are in Wild Card contention where we might finish 10-6. I think this Chiefs team will be good enough to win the division and at the very least be a Wild Card team.

I see it like this...

KC - 11-5
SD - 9-7
DEN - 8-8
Oak - 7-9

Just my take.

C-Mac · 07-06-2005, 09:45 AM

You know technically the Baltimore game was also a good coached defensive game. There was one long pass with very poor tackling and a special teams breakdown, but other than that the defensive keep the Chiefs in that game also. I'm not going to concede to discrediting the defense and coaching when its obvious they did a good job.
Were they consistent, no, will they be better this year, very likey.

bobbything · 07-06-2005, 09:51 AM

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I wonder how such a lousy team went the next week to Denver and embarrased them soundly 48-28 then go on to make it to the NFC Championship game.

Denver wasn't exactly a fantastic team last season either. But, let Denver play that game 4 more times and I would bet they win all four games. I know that's not the way the NFL works, and I know there's no way to prove it, but I think that the worst team in the AFC would have made the NFC Championship game last season.

You will never convince me that Atlanta is good. But I do agree that the Baltimore game was a wonderfully coached defensive game.

piattrocks · 07-06-2005, 10:10 AM

I honestly think that the Chiefs will make the playoffs this year.

Order of the division:

Chiefs
San Diego
Oakland
Denver

I think S. Diego will have a tougher time with teams like New England, the Jets, and Philadelphia.

I am gaurenteeing a KC victory over Philly. (I'm from the Philly area, and a philly downswing is in the cards. While they have a super-easy schedule and should walk into the playoffs, i wouldn't be surprised if Washington rose to challenge the NFC East)
Philly is weak against the run, and dominated an insanely weak NFC. The game is at Arrowhead... and KC dominated the league's other run-happy QB last year (Mike Vick). Plus, most of Philly's good players are holding out (owen, westbrook, ect)... And who can philly throw it to? Mitchell is a Chief now... Pinkston? HA!
Even w/o Warfield for this game it shouldn't be a problem, as philly has few weapons. Owens, Westbrook, and repeat. LJ Smith once in a while at the goal line. This game could become a blowout and wake Philly up to the news: they missed the Superbowl, and they are out of chances to redeem themselves. Errr... is Owens even healthy? (afterthought)

I believe in the KC 2005 Defence
Revising the "first 11 players to the stadium can play defence" policy of the past was a good idea. I believe that even if the new D doesn't mesh instantly, it'll still be better than what was on the field last year. The new punter helps immediately. Surtain... awesome. Warfield might miss a few games, but everything will work out fine. KC has met thier needs and will compete. As the season rolls on, the D will improve, players will come off of injuries and return, and it'll be even that much stronger. It wont be the number one D... but it'll be in the top 15.

KC begins its Super Bowl run now.
God Speed.

C-Mac · 07-06-2005, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbything

Denver wasn't exactly a fantastic team last season either. But, let Denver play that game 4 more times and I would bet they win all four games. I know that's not the way the NFL works, and I know there's no way to prove it, but I think that the worst team in the AFC would have made the NFC Championship game last season.
You will never convince me that Atlanta is good. But I do agree that the Baltimore game was a wonderfully coached defensive game.

.....with the exception of Denver I assume?
The Falcons beat every AFC team they faced except KC, so I dont agree that they dont merit some respect.

bobbything · 07-06-2005, 10:17 AM

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.....with the exception of Denver I assume?

No. Like I said, if Denver and Altanta were to meet up again, in the playoffs (I know, not possible), I believe Denver would have won.

Lbedrock1 · 07-06-2005, 10:39 AM

I think one of the problems you have with predicting how a team will do is you never know who will lose a step as a player or who will gain one. Im always going to predict that the chiefs will do fine because I have a 50-50 chance of being right. I predict that the patriots run is over so that gives us a chance to be there. I believe we will be 3-1 going into our bye and we will not lose to Denver. I believe we will be tough this year and not soft like the previous years. Offense will not slap us around like they have in previous years. None of this means we will win, but it does mean we have a fighting chance. Here is my prediction, The Chiefs will win at least 3 more games this year then they did last year now where ever that puts them that is where they will fall rather they are at home or in the playoffs.

piattrocks · 07-06-2005, 01:19 PM

if they're 3-1 out of the gates, who do they lose to out of the first 4?
The toughest 2, in my opinion, will the Oakland and the Jets...

On another note, here is a shopping list for what KC better do or have done this year:

1) Win at Mile High... its about time.
2) Have Lawrence Tynes prove himself in the clutch... or at all, for that matter. I dont care how much cheaper he was than the Ageless One... he's got to kick it through the uprights!
3) Show some improvement on defence. Right now, Chief fans will take anything, but the only thing we need to see is some wins.
4) Beat San Diego - unlike the Denver game which has GOT to be IN DENVER, i dont care where SD goes down, as long as they do (at least once this year)
5) Win both against Oakland. - Randy who? They've got no defence... (the raiders, that is) the new chief's D needs to prove that it can handle the new threats in Oakland.
6) Leave Freddie Mitchell at a gas station while on the road. - the guy is a distraction who cannot back up what he says.
7) Punt the ball further than 20 yards. Hopefully the new kicker will have this covered.
8) Come up with a plan to keep the Chiefs in KC.
9) Do not choke in the playoffs!!!!!!!

regald · 07-06-2005, 02:25 PM

One thing everyone needs to remember is that EVERY TEAM IS DIFFERENT EVERY YEAR.

Right now, none of us know how a single team will do and we can only guess based on last year's teams. It's actually unfair because many of us have the oppurtunity to go rewatch certain games, but it's actually detrimental in a way because it will have nothing to do with this year's team.

The Chiefs defense could come out the gate as #1 or #32 and Priest Holmes could return to his record breaking form from year's past.

NJ Chief Fan · 07-06-2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Because Mike Shanahan is an idiot?

good point

07-05-2005, 11:25 AM
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7712254	How do you REALLY think the Chiefs will do this season? I've been on other boards around the internet sports world and there have been alot of people that dog the Chiefs. Some people just plain do not know what they're talking about, but yet others have some key points. Put aside the fact that you are a die hard Chiefs fan and think, how do you REALLY think the Chiefs will do this season? In all honesty, I think this is a do or die season. We will more than likely lose Shields after this season, and possibly Roaf, but then again I have heard that Roaf my play for a couple more seasons, if that's true, and granted he can still play at a high level, then I think our O-line is in good shape. If they both leave, then our line will still be ok, but our younger guys have to step up big time to fill those kinds of shoes. From what I have heard from the OTA's, I don't think that will be a problem. Here's a question that someone from another board asked me and it got me to think. "If the Chiefs play some teams with good defenses, and if their offense has a few bad games, can you really rely on their defense to win a few games for you?" I told him I didn't really know. I think our defensive line needs to step up big and play this season. Last season it was arguably the strongest part of our defense, but that's not saying much as our LB core was awful as was our secondary. This season on paper it is probably the weakest part of our defense. Can Jared Allen produce even more than what he did last season, or will Carlos Hall take away some PT from him because God knows that Hicks has a secure spot as LE, which pisses me off to no end. Can Dalton produce like he did last season, chances are that he will. Sims is doo-doo butter. He is simply a bust whether you like it or not. I can't believe that CP and DV listened to that jack off buddy from UNC in drafting Sims. I can understand that a QB can often be a bust in the NFL because the QB is the hardest position, but DT??? Come on, given his size and strength, how hard is it to be productive? Siavii needs to replace him as the starter I think. Our LBs will be our strength, no doubt. We will have some of the best speed in the NFL. Can Mitchell hold down the fort at MLB? Last year he showed some signs but he is VERY inconsistant and is a fairly poor tackler as a MLB. He is very athletic and thats a plus and from what I have heard in the OTAs is that he's kicking ass. But thats in no pads. Can he wrap up is the question. Can Ambrose handle the load while Warfield serves his suspension if there is one? In my eyes hes another McCleon but older. Yeah he made the Pro-Bowl, but that was almost a decade ago. Having Deion Sanders is one thing and is the only exception to that. The first 4 games of the Chiefs schedule are tough, real tough. We have always had close games with Denver and Oakland and the Eagles are one of the best teams in the NFL and the Jets are gonna be better than they were last season I think. If we can go 2-2, then its a sure playoff bound Chiefs team in 2005. If we fall to 0-4, then I think this season will be like the last one. The defensive line and Mitchell I believe are the keys to this defense getting better or respectable. We need a defense that can win us games because our offense wont be there for us all the time, they can only do so much. I'm talking about a defense that can help a team win 14-10 or something like that. I doubt the Chiefs can make that happen. I still think it will take some time to gel the players as one defensive unit. I can see us being very good mid to late season, which is what we need I think, I think its always important to thrive going in to the playoffs. After we play at SD I think our schedule is very favorable. What do you guys think? NYJ - W @OAK - W @DEN - L PHL - L Bye WSH - W @MIA - W @SD - L OAK - W @BUF - W @HOU - W NE - L DEN - W @DAL - W @NYG - W SD - W CIN - W Overall Record 12-4 AFC West Division Champs
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07-06-2005, 09:44 AM	#64
TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Galveston, TX Casino cash: $-1186873	If we get off to a 2-2 start or better after 4 games, I think we'll go 11-5 and win the division. If not then we swap with the Bolts in my picks below and are in Wild Card contention where we might finish 10-6. I think this Chiefs team will be good enough to win the division and at the very least be a Wild Card team. I see it like this... KC - 11-5 SD - 9-7 DEN - 8-8 Oak - 7-9 Just my take. __________________ Hey Andy / Matt...Patrick Mahomes is NOT Alex Smith
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07-06-2005, 09:45 AM	#65
C-Mac Lurker Extraordinaire Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wally World Casino cash: $-876301	You know technically the Baltimore game was also a good coached defensive game. There was one long pass with very poor tackling and a special teams breakdown, but other than that the defensive keep the Chiefs in that game also. I'm not going to concede to discrediting the defense and coaching when its obvious they did a good job. Were they consistent, no, will they be better this year, very likey.
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07-06-2005, 10:10 AM	#67
piattrocks Rookie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ventnor, NJ (right by AC) Casino cash: $10004900	I honestly think that the Chiefs will make the playoffs this year. Order of the division: Chiefs San Diego Oakland Denver I think S. Diego will have a tougher time with teams like New England, the Jets, and Philadelphia. I am gaurenteeing a KC victory over Philly. (I'm from the Philly area, and a philly downswing is in the cards. While they have a super-easy schedule and should walk into the playoffs, i wouldn't be surprised if Washington rose to challenge the NFC East) Philly is weak against the run, and dominated an insanely weak NFC. The game is at Arrowhead... and KC dominated the league's other run-happy QB last year (Mike Vick). Plus, most of Philly's good players are holding out (owen, westbrook, ect)... And who can philly throw it to? Mitchell is a Chief now... Pinkston? HA! Even w/o Warfield for this game it shouldn't be a problem, as philly has few weapons. Owens, Westbrook, and repeat. LJ Smith once in a while at the goal line. This game could become a blowout and wake Philly up to the news: they missed the Superbowl, and they are out of chances to redeem themselves. Errr... is Owens even healthy? (afterthought) I believe in the KC 2005 Defence Revising the "first 11 players to the stadium can play defence" policy of the past was a good idea. I believe that even if the new D doesn't mesh instantly, it'll still be better than what was on the field last year. The new punter helps immediately. Surtain... awesome. Warfield might miss a few games, but everything will work out fine. KC has met thier needs and will compete. As the season rolls on, the D will improve, players will come off of injuries and return, and it'll be even that much stronger. It wont be the number one D... but it'll be in the top 15. KC begins its Super Bowl run now. God Speed.
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07-06-2005, 10:39 AM	#70
Lbedrock1 Iron Giant Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Conyers, Ga Casino cash: $9995364	I think one of the problems you have with predicting how a team will do is you never know who will lose a step as a player or who will gain one. Im always going to predict that the chiefs will do fine because I have a 50-50 chance of being right. I predict that the patriots run is over so that gives us a chance to be there. I believe we will be 3-1 going into our bye and we will not lose to Denver. I believe we will be tough this year and not soft like the previous years. Offense will not slap us around like they have in previous years. None of this means we will win, but it does mean we have a fighting chance. Here is my prediction, The Chiefs will win at least 3 more games this year then they did last year now where ever that puts them that is where they will fall rather they are at home or in the playoffs.
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07-06-2005, 01:19 PM	#71
piattrocks Rookie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ventnor, NJ (right by AC) Casino cash: $10004900	if they're 3-1 out of the gates, who do they lose to out of the first 4? The toughest 2, in my opinion, will the Oakland and the Jets... On another note, here is a shopping list for what KC better do or have done this year: 1) Win at Mile High... its about time. 2) Have Lawrence Tynes prove himself in the clutch... or at all, for that matter. I dont care how much cheaper he was than the Ageless One... he's got to kick it through the uprights! 3) Show some improvement on defence. Right now, Chief fans will take anything, but the only thing we need to see is some wins. 4) Beat San Diego - unlike the Denver game which has GOT to be IN DENVER, i dont care where SD goes down, as long as they do (at least once this year) 5) Win both against Oakland. - Randy who? They've got no defence... (the raiders, that is) the new chief's D needs to prove that it can handle the new threats in Oakland. 6) Leave Freddie Mitchell at a gas station while on the road. - the guy is a distraction who cannot back up what he says. 7) Punt the ball further than 20 yards. Hopefully the new kicker will have this covered. 8) Come up with a plan to keep the Chiefs in KC. 9) Do not choke in the playoffs!!!!!!!
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07-06-2005, 02:25 PM	#72
regald Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Casino cash: $10004900	One thing everyone needs to remember is that EVERY TEAM IS DIFFERENT EVERY YEAR. Right now, none of us know how a single team will do and we can only guess based on last year's teams. It's actually unfair because many of us have the oppurtunity to go rewatch certain games, but it's actually detrimental in a way because it will have nothing to do with this year's team. The Chiefs defense could come out the gate as #1 or #32 and Priest Holmes could return to his record breaking form from year's past.
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