Jumping back in here, I'm not surprised to see a couple of posters have taken up Pet/Edw/Gretz' defense. I want to respond to a couple of points that have come and gone with little notice.
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58
I understand, but here's the problem with that.
People "supposedly" jumped on board with this rebuild in the offseason KNOWING that Herm Edwards would be the coach and that Carl Peterson would be the GM in 2008.
Now, those same people are pitching a bitch because, big surprise, Herm Edwards is the coach and Carl Peterson is the GM.
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This is bullshit - but I won't say "and you know it" because it's possible the truth hasn't sunk in. In the bolded parts you speak AS IF THE FANS ALL WERE OF ONE MIND and they simply WERE NOT. Most of the posters on this board, callers to KC sports talk, commenters on the KC Star sports pages, etc., NEVER BOUGHT IN to Clark Hunt's decision to retain Peterson and Edwards, and they certainly never forfeited their right to complain about GETTING FED THE SAME OLD CRAP from this organization. At most, much of the fan base showed resigned acceptance, and many never even went that far. The drumbeats for firing Peterson and Edwards - ESPECIALLY Peterson - never stopped.
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58
It's damn near unprecedented for an organization to bring in a new coach from OUTSIDE the organization in the middle of a season.
- Good candidates typically aren't available, they are working for other teams in some capacity.
- Even IF a good candidate was available, why would he want a job in which he's basically auditioning for a new GM? No one is going to take a job under those circumstances
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Even if you accept this argument - and I don't - there is still absolutely NO reason not to dump Peterson now. Bringing in a new GM early would actually be beneficial. He could get first hand experience with the organization including players and coaches in real time and get started on his remodelling without any rush.
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Originally Posted by Claythan
And then Mangini PROMPTLY made the playoffs with Herm's talent.
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I'm really not sure how that helps your case that Edwards is a good coach. By your own account, Edwards took a team with playoff type talent and coached them to a 4-12 record. I'm a little confused.
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Originally Posted by Claythan
Our quarterbacks suck.
Our offensive line sucks.
We have one wide receiver.
We have one linebacker.
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Let's agree for the moment that all the offensive players Vermeil had got old. Let's not even talk about the offense at all. Let's talk about the defense. When Edwards came in, he inherited a bad but improving defense - and he continued it's improvement through his first two years. But this is year three and it's apparent early on that the D - Herm Edwards' D - has taken a step backward. Or are you going to blame that on all the great Vermeil veterans on the Defense getting old?