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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief
But the blown picks weren't actually the top choices by Veach. Mahomes was banging the table for CEH and it was at the time a "luxury" pick to many, so they did it. FAU was taken in the draft in KC and Lamar wanted a pick and nobody would trade down, so we took the local kid. This isn't the case with this, it's a calculated risk by Reid, Veach and the medical staff. A far cry from the other two.
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I specifically noted that MEH wasn't an example.
FAU is mushy middle -- I'm not real sure who to believe there.
The two most direct analogues, though, were Speaks and Moore. In both cases we were looking to attack a specific position group in a specific range. We panicked and moved up when that position group dried up in that range so we took the last guy we had in Speaks.
And in Moore we saw a group of 3-4 guys we liked AT the position group and were willing to trade down to take whoever was left.
And that's not speculating, that's a matter of public record. Veach has said as such. Both directly and indirectly (with Moore he said it specifically and then re-stated it in a different way when discussing the Cook pick and how they didn't think they could get the WR where they took Cook so they took WR first even though they had Cook ranked higher).
They have absolutely demonstrated a willingness to do this in the first round or two and I just don't think it's worked out for them well at all when they have. McDuffie they traded up for because the TALENT and not the position. And Karlaftis was said to be a bit of a combination of both -- they badly wanted a DL there but saw enough of them on the board that they were reasonably confident one would fall.
I think there's a fair argument to make that you could fit Karlaftis into this 'approach' and call it a win. I don't think that's right, but it's makeable. That still puts them at least 2-1 down, though.