[brdempsey69]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I worked in Broncos Media Relations a couple years, and KOA Radio after that. I'm glad you liked the competition, but the consensus of those who were there was a little different. Chiefs had a guy named Jim Carr - I think Carr in media relations. He wasn't there, too young, but he told some funny stories ... good stories, not sad ones, just VERY different than the modern NFL.

And yes, Wismer basically went broke waiting for Shea Stadium to open. But Sonny Werblin had plenty'o'cash ...

And what on God's green earth makes you think you can just "look up" whether the Broncos ownership was fiscally healthy or not? Geez, dempsey ... get real. Besides, your own Lamar Hunt confirmed that for me in his book. He'd confirm it for you too if you read it. Lamar Hunt was a great man, and it was a miracle Gerry and Allan Phipps nursed this franchise all the way to merger.

I wonder dempsey, if we weren't dirt poor, would we have an assistant coach, who retired as a player 7 years earlier, suit up at halftime of Week 1, Year 1 because our quarterback sucked? He quarterbacked us for three years. He's all we could afford. And if we weren't dirt poor, would we have bought USED UNIFORMS?! Ugly ones too .....

None of your stupid blather refutes anything or proves that the Donkeys were the poorest franchise in the AFL from 1960 - 1964 before the $36 mill. TV deal was signed with NBC.

And Frank Tripuka was 33 in 1960, not 37, like you said earlier and all the AFL teams got their QB's in 1960 as FA's.

I suggest you try reading a book called "Sunday's Fools" by Tom Beer, who played TE for the Donks from 1967 -- 1969 and he suggests that the Donks woes during the AFL days were mainly due to stupid personnel decisions made by the Donks coaches & front office and never suggests anything about the Donks being cash-strapped. Beer himself, as a 2nd round pick, signed a 3-yr $92,000 deal after he was drafted in 1967. Donks tried to go on the cheap with their initial offer to Beer of $45,000.

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

One day about three-four weeks ago, this entire room went attack-dog on Elway, for maybe an hour. The hostility was really meant for me, John was just a proxy for it.

I've been meaning to post these points just to make them clear and because one of them is time-sensitive:

WHEN JOHN ELWAY RETIRED:

1. He had won more games than any quarterback ever
2. He was one of just two QBs to pass for 50,000 career yards (Marino)
3. He was one of just two QBs to throw 300 career TD Passes (Marino)
4. He had started a record FIVE Super Bowls

WRONG !! Your Donktard mythology regarding Elway was attacked. The first 3 things on your list are just longevity stats. The 4th thing on your list has been proven that only 3 of those starts were legit.

You've also never had any answer for the following:

Let's compare Elway to his own peers. During John Elway's career (1983 to 1998), there were 19 QBs who started 100+ games. Here is where Elway ranks in major statistical categories:

Completion%: 16th
TD%: 13th
INT%: 10th
Passer Rating: 14th
Yards per Attempt: 10th
Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt: 11th

So if you believe (like many do), that John Elway is one of the top 10 QBs of all time, why wasn't he even statistically a top 10 QB in his own era?

ANSWER: Because Elway was only good to a point & was 2nd-tier and never carried any Donkeys team like DonkeyDuff suggested just recently at Orange Huddle. They carried him. Only thing that Elway ever carried was most likely a turd in his back pocket.