Originally Posted by BroncoBuff
“What?!”
I never said that, and I’m NOT measuring solely by playoff wins. However, there IS a correct answer to the question “What is the object of the game?” And that correct answer is “To Win.”
Accordingly, WINS - if proportional to the STATS being compared with – should carry greater weight. It’s another example of the classic dichotomy “Content vs Form,” yielding the same result as always, ”WHAT you do matters more than HOW you do it.”
“Disingenuous?!”
What?!?!
I STATED, CLEAR AS A BELL: “Rodgers has significantly better stats and four MVP awards.” I factored Rodgers’ big stats/awards advantage into my assessment.
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Individual awards and stats
RODGERS: 4 NFL MVPs, SB MVP, 4 All-Pro, 10 Pro Bowls and league leaders
ELWAY: NFL MVP, SB MVP, 1 All-Pro, 9 Pro-Bowls. The day he retired, Elway had won more games, and started more Super Bowls (5) than any QB ever
Further, Rodger's individual statistics like completion % and TD passes are all point for point - better than Elway’s, often by wide margins. RELEVANT EXAMPLE: Jolly Rodgers’ career QBRating is 102.9, Elway’s 79.9.
Team victories and accomplishments
JOHN ELWAY wishes to point out that ^^^^^^ Rodgers’ individual awards and stats above appear to have done very little to win games for his team, because ..…
THIS WEEK – Nov 18-25, 2024 – Elway and Rodgers have basically IDENTICAL career W-L records:
.. . . . . .. .. .W .. L . T
J.Elway ..162 .89 .1
Rodgers .162 .93 .1
RODGERS: 11-10 playoff record, with 6 ‘one-and-dones’ in 11 playoff seasons; 1-4 W-L in NFCCGs and 1 Super Bowl…
ELWAY: 14-7 playoff record, with 4 ‘one-and-dones’ in 10 playoff seasons; 5-2 W-L in AFCCGs and 5 Super Bowls, 2 wins.
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MY OPINION/CONCLUSION IS:
American football is a TEAM sport. Individual stats and honors can be exciting examples of a players’ greatness, and there were many such examples in Aaron Rodgers time with the Packers. But, as stated, when you're on the field, the goal must only be to win games, not rack up statistics.
For the Packers, having been led for 17 years by as uniquely talented a quarterback as Aaron Rodgers, there were too few memorable victories, and not enough landmark moments to remember for the Green Bay Packers and their fans.
It should be known that this was a mild expression of the frustration the Packers fan-base has endured. Other fans, when expressing this kind of frustration, or ranking players this way, will unabashedly label certain players and even teams “CHOKE-ARTISTS.”
And the list is a long one: Tony Romo, Philip Rivers, the Buffalo Bills, Minnesota Vikings, even Peyton Manning, Fran Tarkenton, The Detroit Lions, the Cleveland Browns, even Aaron Rodgers
So Aaron Rodgers, replete with the awards and statistics spoken of, you should understand it could have been worse.
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