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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Uh, think you got some of your math and your QB evaluations wrong here.

First of all, pretty much everyone on your list above had significantly more targets than Aiyuk.

In Tyreek's/CeeDee Lamb's/Nacua's/AJ Brown's/Keenan Allen's and J. Chase's cases, they all saw anywhere from 45-75 more targets than Aiyuk last season.

And yet, only five of them had more total receiving yards.

I was aware of that fact when I made my post. Aiyuk has a luxury that none of these other guys have and that’s being the FOURTH option in his own offense. Everyone else you mentioned is the guy in their respective offense. That’s the only reason Aiyuk was able to be so efficient with his targets if we’re being honest.

Only G. Pickens had a higher Y/A.

Only Tyreek and Lamb had more receiving plays over 20 yards. They both had 29, Aiyuk had 28. So big diff there.

Yards per reception is such a volatile, variable stat that I don’t think it matters much. Aiyuk’s YPR last year was more than 3 yards higher than his career average. It’s most likely an extreme statistical outlier and that’ll be proven within the next few years.

And not for nothing, but just exactly how did Nico Collins out-perform Aiyuk? He had nearly 50 fewer yards, a lower Yards per catch average, fewer big plays and fewer 1st downs. Please shed some light on this one.

Nico had 45 fewer yards and 1 more TD in 1 less game.

If you swapped the two, I think Aiyuk would struggle to match his numbers, while Collins would find it easier to do so being on such a star studded offense.

IMO, the season Collins had given the circumstances was more impressive that Aiyuk’s.

And how are you evaluating QBs these days? Case in point, just how on God's green Earth do you put Purdy above Matt Stafford? Purdy above Stroud? I mean, I get Purdy had a really good year statistically (echoes of Alex Smith's 2017 season), but I doubt any scout/GM would say that Purdy was a better QB than Stafford.

That's just silly. And don't give me the "Purdy was statistically better," BS. If that's your premise, then by that reasoning, Purdy is better than Mahomes. Which is just ridiculous. Obviously.

Did I put Purdy above Stafford and Stroud? I don’t remember saying that.

Maybe you’re confused from where I said “despite SOMETIMES having worse QB situations”. I mean, that should speak for itself. Purdy was 100% better last year than Baker, Watson/Flacco, Geno Smith, Derek Carr, Sam Howell, Pickett, etc.

As for this line:




No to DK (didn't outperform Aiyuk in any meaningful way), no to Terry, just lol to Olave and Pickens, Kupp may not ever get to his former HoF self (but I'm a Kupp fan so I'll give you this one) and Godwin?

I like Godwin, but just lol, no. Godwin is average to maybe a bit above average outside; he's a slot receiver. That's where he's always been at his best, where the vast bulk of his production has come from over his entire career, and last season when Canales tried to put him outside the experiment was a near-complete failure by all TB accounts.

In fact, it was during that losing streak TB had mid-season when Canales tried to put Godwin outside. Check his gamelogs, it wasn't great.

And their winning streak to finish the season came at the same time Godwin was put back in the slot.

Anyway, I look forward to reading your counter at this point. Especially about the QBs.

Godwin may have been a stretch. As you can see, I included him at the very end as he is a step below any of the other names I mentioned.

But DK I think is a better, more talented WR than Aiyuk. Stats don’t always tell the whole story.

No to Terry and lol at Olave? Have you watched these dudes play. They’re dawgs. You put any of them on that SF offense with Deebo, CMC and Kittle drawing coverage away and they’d all go crazy.

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This is exactly what people used to say about Hill.

Right. If you think Deebo is just a gadget guy, you don’t really watch the 9ers play.

You can argue that Aiyuk is a better pure WR all day. I don’t necessarily agree with that but I’ll entertain the argument. The issue is, you can’t just hand waive the fact that Deebo is the second most dangerous WR in the NFL with the ball in his hands. That’s part of the package of being an NFL receiver as well and Deebo is a LOT better at it than Aiyuk.

Plus, like others have mentioned, they lost three games in a row without Deebo last year, only scoring 17 PPG during that stretch. I think the proof is in the pudding.