[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by kcgreene

Oh, I'm not bashing Brady. Maybe I should clarify my take. I think that Brady is currently the GOAT, however, I think that Mahomes has achieved more with less, and data and eyetest quantify such in my opinion.

Because Mahomes has done more with less (for the time period in which he's had the opportunity to do such) I don't think he has to match Brady in terms of rings to be considered the GOAT. I think if he gets a 4th ring while maintaining his statistical output consistently, the real convo begins.

This was more compiled because too many people are ring counters and that's all (which none of those people say Bill Russell is the best NBA player ever). It's also why I gave Manning and Brees credit for winning with worse Defenses. Because it does mean something. It doesn't mean everything, but it does mean something.

Originally I wrote it out to focus on Allen and Lamar's defenses in contrast to Mahomes, I added Brady when it became apparent that Mahomes is no longer competing against his contemporaries, he's competing against legends of the game.

EDIT: I should clarify. I think Brady is the GOAT QB, I personally am more inclined to see Jerry Rice as the GOAT of football in general when you compare him to the other legends and top players ever of his position.

I think Mahomes will end his career as the GOAT Though, so this post will be outdated soon enough.

I also think there is a difference between the "Greatest of All Time" and "The Best of All Time". Greatness implies accomplishment. Best implies talent and ability (In my opinion)

I think Mahomes is clearly the At-This-Point-In-His-Career (ATPIHC) GOAT.