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Originally Posted by smithandrew051
He was great. No doubt about that.
I’m just saying there isn’t a strong argument to have him ahead of Mahomes.
Mahomes is on pace to beat everything Manning did in the regular season. Mahomes has already eclipsed everything Manning did in the postseason, which imo matters more.
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I suppose it depends on your criteria.
I am normally a huge “peak” guy so Mahomes does well in my rankings. His peak has matched any QB in history.
Still, it’s hard to ignore Peyton’s production over the course of his career. I think it’ll take a few more years of elite production from Pat until I’d comfortably put him over Manning.
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Originally Posted by kysirsoze
He also elevated the already high importance of the quarterback position. He ran the entire offense with an OC that basically held a clipboard and a defensive head coach. He was at the forefront of pushing the NFL to be a overwhelmingly passing league by virtue of his play. The postseason stuff bites him for sure, but he was incredible. If Mahomes retired today, there's a strong argument that he's ahead of Manning, but it would be a good debate. In a few more years it's probably not close.
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This is a good point. I’m pretty sure one of those defensive holding offseason rehauls around 2004 was specifically in response to the Patriots mugging his receivers in a postseason beatdown.