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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar
You guys definitely apply revisionist history to Brees/Payton. Brees was 5th in OPOY voting in 04 and went to the PB, but no one wanted him? He also had one of the lowest INT percentages and TD percentages of his career that season.
You said that he immediately transformed under Payton, but his numbers only went up because he threw a lot more passes. TD% and comp% both went down in his first year in NO. The only improvement was INT%, but that was lower two years earlier in San Diego. He also had a lot of talent around him in NO and was entering his prime years.
As for what was special about his stats? Welp, this is awkward, but.....his 2004 season was statistically better than any season in Elway's entire career. It would be his highest TD total, fewest INTs, lowest INT%, highest Y/A, and by far his highest comp% and QB rating. And only a few years after Elway retired.
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Comparing Elway's stats, even with 2004, never made much sense to me. Different situations - apples to oranges. There are just too many moving parts - not just era to era, but team to team, and season to season.
And Brees in San Diego is what I think of when I hear someone use the term "middling." He was fine. But when you played them, you worried much more about LaDainian Tomlinson beating you. And that made Brees better.
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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar
KC gave up a hell of a lot to trade up and get Mahomes. Veach had been obsessively scouting him and pounding the table for years. Payton didn't have to give up anything. It's easy to say after the fact that he got "his guy" and "I feel the same about Nix as I did about Mahomes." He'd probably be saying the same thing about Penix or McCarthy.
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The bolded reinforces my feelings about the way it went down with drafting Nix. To me, in the immediate aftermath of the draft, the most valid complaint detractors had was, "Well, why take a guy at 12 when you could have probably had him at 25?" As it turns out, there was apparently no way he was going to make it that far - the Rams apparently planned on taking him at 19, if he was there. But more importantly, if he is the guy you want, you don't screw around. Nobody really cares what you gave up to move up and get Mahomes now. Forget about comparisons between Nix and whomever. If that is the guy they want so badly, their draft is going to be ruined if they don't get him, then they did the right thing.
Now we just wait to find out if their feelings about him were justified. Somebody is going to end up being right, and somebody is going to end up being wrong.