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Old 11-07-2023, 03:47 PM   #6326
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 View Post
The more I watch this clip, the more I think no one's really open.


Sure, Watson at thhe top of the screen is technically open when he breaks, but firt of all, he's short of the sticks by about 5-6 yards. Two, he's crossing towards the middle at a pretty fast rate; Pat can't throw at Justin or behind him even a little. He has to lead him, and by a decent amount considering how fast Justin's going from left to right.


And the rush beats the OL at about the 4.5sec mark. The ball has to be gone by about 4.7 seconds, right? Stop the clip at 5 sec and go back a tad. Is Justin really 'wide open'?

It doesn't look like it to me. It looks like a rapidly shrinking window that he'd have to lead by 3-4 yards from 28 yards away with a rusher in his face.

I mean, maybe if Watson had come back directly towards Pat more. Would've made it more like 4th and 10, but Pat wouldn't have to lead him, and the defender to the middle wouldn't be in play and the other defender is stacked behind Watson. But he runs across the field.

MVS, well, guessing that has to be MVS streaking down the middle with triple coverage, so he's never open.

Whoever that is underneath MVS isn't open either, plus he's 10 yds short of the sticks?

Gray is never a real target, both because of his depth, and the fact that the rush gets to Pat before he can even look at Gray.

The outlet, as usual, doesn't count.


I don't think anyone's legitmately open in that clip; prove me wrong?
Then nobody is ever open.

You're looking for the same windows Matt Cassel was always looking for. "High School Open".

You're looking for the same windows that Zach Wilson was looking for last night.

There were 3 throws to make there. Man, if that throw to Watson isn't 'open' in your eyes, then I don't know what to tell you. Mahomes makes a dozen throws into tighter windows than that every single week. You throw it at the sideline as his breaking down. He turns, locates the ball, takes a step forward and has a 15 yard gain where maybe he turns off a tackler and can get the 1st down.

The check down is also an easy throw for probably 10 yards of YAC.

Maybe this is why we keep hearing 'nobody is open!!!!' all the time. Y'all think a guy is EVER running in 5 yards of empty space. They aren't. Not if the coverage doesn't break down.

This is like people expecting Perry Mason moments in court where the witness breaks down and makes a sobbing admission on the stand. There's no magic route or cut that just breaks a guy into 7 yards of empty space. What makes a good route runner is precision. Hitting his mark EXACTLY on time and getting 2 yards of separation just as he's hitting it. Then because he's there exactly when he should be, the ball is being delivered when/before that space is created.

No, you're just wrong here. There were absolutely throws to make there. And that play is a hell of a litmus test, IMO. Because if you look at that play and think "Man, the receivers are the problem here" then you really do need to recalibrate a little.
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